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[TheBloodyNine]

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No interest in Danault. Actually, I should say I have “minimal” interest in Danault. The Rangers can find effective checking line Centers for defensive matchups. He was putrid offensively in the playoffs for what he thinks he is ultimately worth

You’d ideally want this guy to be your third line center, but he will get paid to be a 2nd line guy. Pass for me.

 

[RGY]

You’d ideally want this guy to be your third line center, but he will get paid to be a 2nd line guy. Pass for me.

Exactly. I left out the part of my post saying they can find effect checking line defensive centers for much cheaper, probably half the cost.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Goodrow has played center before and he’s half the cost if not more than half less

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Where does Chytil rank among centers in ES points?

 

[Raspewtin]

Where does Chytil rank among centers in ES points?

44th in raw points

8th in points per 60

 

[Ola]

Exactly. I left out the part of my post saying they can find effect checking line defensive centers for much cheaper, probably half the cost.

I am with you re Dandenault. Love the player, love the type, exactly what we need, but UFA signings are almost never good. And we need great contracts.

You won’t compete for a Cup without getting an advantage due to good contracts. We have blown the window when we can live on the young nuke’s ELC. Both Chicago and Anaheim won cups during that window.

Who will be our good contracts? It won’t be the 30m we spend on Panarin, Trouba and Kreider. Can be acceptable, but never great value. It won’t be the another 7m we spend on Dandenault. 4 players and like 40% of our Cap right there. Fox, Kakko, Laf and co won’t be cheap. You don’t win cups with 4-5 great players, it takes a great team.

The other category on my black list is role players that played for any of the finalist teams lol, like Coleman, Goodenrow and the likes. Every year these guys come and go. Some even hop from Cup winner to Cup winner like Maroon and Fedetenko.

But they basically — never — makes a difference when they go to any team looking to take big steps. Basically never. These guys aren’t strong players. They can excel in a strong environment when enabled to play to their strengths. And like depth line going up against depth line in the Cup final don’t differ much from the regular season like we have seen many times. But they get glorified.

We need to find these types much cheaper than the going rate for the ones having played in the finals. No doubt.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

If this season isn't "playoffs or bust" mandate (Drury said it was a goal but not a mandate) its a good season to let Chytil loose and see what he can do while both Zibanejad and Strome are up for new contracts or replacements..

 

[NYR94]

44th in raw points

8th in points per 60

Where did you get these numbers?

 

[SA16]

I am with you re Dandenault. Love the player, love the type, exactly what we need, but UFA signings are almost never good. And we need great contracts.

You won’t compete for a Cup without getting an advantage due to good contracts. We have blown the window when we can live on the young nuke’s ELC. Both Chicago and Anaheim won cups during that window.

Who will be our good contracts? It won’t be the 30m we spend on Panarin, Trouba and Kreider. Can be acceptable, but never great value. It won’t be the another 7m we spend on Dandenault. 4 players and like 40% of our Cap right there. Fox, Kakko, Laf and co won’t be cheap. You don’t win cups with 4-5 great players, it takes a great team.

The other category on my black list is role players that played for any of the finalist teams lol, like Coleman, Goodenrow and the likes. Every year these guys come and go. Some even hop from Cup winner to Cup winner like Maroon and Fedetenko.

But they basically — never — makes a difference when they go to any team looking to take big steps. Basically never. These guys aren’t strong players. They can excel in a strong environment when enabled to play to their strengths. And like depth line going up against depth line in the Cup final don’t differ much from the regular season like we have seen many times. But they get glorified.

We need to find these types much cheaper than the going rate for the ones having played in the finals. No doubt.

Didn't he retire over 10 years ago?

 

[Rongomania]

You f*ckin' go for it while bread is in his prime. Exciting and utterly terrifying.

 

[SRHRangers]

Maybe it's time to see if Chytil is the 2C and focus on getting the 3C in FA instead of going for the home run.

 

[kovazub94]

I am with you re Dandenault. Love the player, love the type, exactly what we need, but UFA signings are almost never good. And we need great contracts.

You won’t compete for a Cup without getting an advantage due to good contracts. We have blown the window when we can live on the young nuke’s ELC. Both Chicago and Anaheim won cups during that window.

Who will be our good contracts? It won’t be the 30m we spend on Panarin, Trouba and Kreider. Can be acceptable, but never great value. It won’t be the another 7m we spend on Dandenault. 4 players and like 40% of our Cap right there. Fox, Kakko, Laf and co won’t be cheap. You don’t win cups with 4-5 great players, it takes a great team.

The other category on my black list is role players that played for any of the finalist teams lol, like Coleman, Goodenrow and the likes. Every year these guys come and go. Some even hop from Cup winner to Cup winner like Maroon and Fedetenko.

But they basically — never — makes a difference when they go to any team looking to take big steps. Basically never. These guys aren’t strong players. They can excel in a strong environment when enabled to play to their strengths. And like depth line going up against depth line in the Cup final don’t differ much from the regular season like we have seen many times. But they get glorified.

We need to find these types much cheaper than the going rate for the ones having played in the finals. No doubt.

Ola, the current cap structure allows for a couple of contracts like the Panarin’s (if a team doesn’t overspent on the bottom liners). Can’t see how Panarin is not worth it, nor what Trouba doesn’t - maybe with just a small overpayment.

 

[Daves a mess]

Top Shelfs Hockey's latest rumor/speculation regarding what the Rangers may have settled on sending Buffalo for Capt Jack. Here goes.
Buch
Chytil or Georgey
Jones
Robertsson
#1 2021

B**ch away! And swell your chest at the guy at TSH, not me lol.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Top Shelfs Hockey's latest rumor regarding what the Rangers may have settled on sending Buffalo for Capt Jack. Here goes.
Buch
Chytil or Georgey
Jones
Robertsson
#1 2021

B**ch away! And swell your chest at the guy at TSH, not me lol.

Buch, Chytil, Jones and 15 is a pretty big offer for a guy with 10M and injury concerns

 

[Charlie Conway]

I get the feeling, aside from shifting on or two things around for expansion, that we'll stand pat and see how things look under Gallant and Drury.

I keep seeing the suggestion of Chytil at wing, but I haven't seen anything really from the org to suggest they're looking into that. It would almost assuredly mean a trade or two to shift things around.

What are the center options? Can't say I was really interested in many of the UFA options. Had some free time and looked around CapFriendly. Decided to get some Bern on.

Danault - Going to demand a fortune. Great defensively, not much offense added in playoffs.
Gambrell - Looked at him while checking out Hertl. Seems to lack the type of upside we would need, but does play both sides of the puck.
Hertl - Knee injuries. Age/contract commitment.
Krebs - Skill, top-6 upside....
Larkin - Cost? Otherwise fills what we would need.
Joel L'Esperance - Lack of overall upside, but a good skater and plays both sides of the puck.
Lindholm - Been a massive fan of Lindholm since his days in Carolina, but will Calgary trade him? Spent most of the time on wing.
ROR - Availability? Age? Still has game, but do we want to commit long-term?
Schmaltz - Could see him being Strome-like in taking a big step playing with Panarin.


Groulx - Assuming Zegras and Lundestrom are off the table... Not sure about his overall upside, but he plays with a bit of edge and we can use more Centers in the system.
Lauko - Speed and skill, but is he basically a wing at this point? Probably will be looking for an NHL job soon.
Perfetti - With Schiefele, DuBois, and Lowry, I'd be interested to see what Winnipeg does with Perfetti. Maybe a D for C swap? Unless they just decide to deal with that when it's a real issue.

LA and Carolina both have pretty good C depth in their pipelines....would Carolina entertain another Gauthier/Keane sort of deal, but maybe up the stakes?

System Depth

LW	C	RW
Panarin	Zib	Buchnevich
Laf	Strome	Kakko
Kreider	Chytil	Kravtsov
Howden	Rooney	Blackwell
Getting	Barron	Gauthier
Cuylle	Brodzinski	Richards

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

If Barron and/or Chytil ends up a wing...well...

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

You f*ckin' go for it while bread is in his prime. Exciting and utterly terrifying.

Next 5 years is their best shot to win a cup IMO, but hopefully we can find some young centers who can pro long that when the "kids" get older and become the vets (Fox, Laf, Kakko, etc)

 

[DanielBrassard]

Top Shelfs Hockey's latest rumor/speculation regarding what the Rangers may have settled on sending Buffalo for Capt Jack. Here goes.
Buch
Chytil or Georgey
Jones
Robertsson
#1 2021

B**ch away! And swell your chest at the guy at TSH, not me lol.

Chytil or Georgiev? Two wildly separate values, and totally different positions. How does that make sense.

 

[NYR Viper]

Top Shelfs Hockey's latest rumor/speculation regarding what the Rangers may have settled on sending Buffalo for Capt Jack. Here goes.
Buch
Chytil or Georgey
Jones
Robertsson
#1 2021

B**ch away! And swell your chest at the guy at TSH, not me lol.

Now Buch, Georgiev, Jones, Robertson 1st is a lot, but it’s not THAT bad

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Chytil or Georgiev? Two wildly separate values, and totally different positions. How does that make sense.

I thought that was odd too, of course Buffalo takes Chytil in that instance, unless they meant Kravtsov

 

[Vitto79]

Top Shelfs Hockey's latest rumor/speculation regarding what the Rangers may have settled on sending Buffalo for Capt Jack. Here goes.
Buch
Chytil or Georgey
Jones
Robertsson
#1 2021

B**ch away! And swell your chest at the guy at TSH, not me lol.

I’d like to keep Robertson and let them have both Chytil and Georgiev

if Eichel is healthy that’s a good deal

 

[Off Sides]

I am with you re Dandenault. Love the player, love the type, exactly what we need, but UFA signings are almost never good. And we need great contracts.

You won’t compete for a Cup without getting an advantage due to good contracts. We have blown the window when we can live on the young nuke’s ELC. Both Chicago and Anaheim won cups during that window.

Who will be our good contracts? It won’t be the 30m we spend on Panarin, Trouba and Kreider. Can be acceptable, but never great value. It won’t be the another 7m we spend on Dandenault. 4 players and like 40% of our Cap right there. Fox, Kakko, Laf and co won’t be cheap. You don’t win cups with 4-5 great players, it takes a great team.

The other category on my black list is role players that played for any of the finalist teams lol, like Coleman, Goodenrow and the likes. Every year these guys come and go. Some even hop from Cup winner to Cup winner like Maroon and Fedetenko.

But they basically — never — makes a difference when they go to any team looking to take big steps. Basically never. These guys aren’t strong players. They can excel in a strong environment when enabled to play to their strengths. And like depth line going up against depth line in the Cup final don’t differ much from the regular season like we have seen many times. But they get glorified.

We need to find these types much cheaper than the going rate for the ones having played in the finals. No doubt.

Buyouts, ~4.4M 2021-22, ~3.3M 2022-23 (with DeAngelo)

Panarin, Trouba, Kreider all have clauses, and they are at 26.1M

Lindgren is signed for 3 years at 3M

That is 32-33M on 4 players.


Shesterkin is a pending RFA now, 4-5M??

36-38M used on 5 players.

That is almost half the cap used on 1 top liner, one Fox partner, a 1G, and some other stuff.

Everyone can takes guesses beyond that, yet assuming Fox, at least 8M, probably more.

44-46M used on 6 players.

At some point this all becomes who do the Rangers not extend and instead go after a near league minimum salary/cap hit for that position.

 

[haohmaru]

Top Shelfs Hockey's latest rumor/speculation regarding what the Rangers may have settled on sending Buffalo for Capt Jack. Here goes.
Buch
Chytil or Georgey
Jones
Robertsson
#1 2021

B**ch away! And swell your chest at the guy at TSH, not me lol.

I don't want Eichel to begin with, but if it's taking FIVE assets like that then all the more reason to flip Buffalo the bird and move on. Franchises always pay a huge price with an asset dump like that for a single player - who you just KNOW would get a career threatening injury in game 2 played for the NYR.

No freaking thank you.

 

[Thirty One]

Chytil or Georgiev? Two wildly separate values, and totally different positions. How does that make sense.

Lafreniere or Chytil or Georgiev or Elmer or Johnson's negotiating rights

 

[Doctyl]

I don't want Eichel to begin with, but if it's taking FIVE assets like that then all the more reason to flip Buffalo the bird and move on. Franchises always pay a huge price with an asset dump like that for a single player - who you just KNOW would get a career threatening injury in game 2 played for the NYR.

No freaking thank you.

HE ALREADY HAS THE CAREER THREATENING INJURY

thats the insane part Buffalo management and their fans act like isn’t there. Dude wants a spine surgery that hasn’t been done ok an NHLer before. No team in their right mind pays full price for that and Buffalo is refusing to deal with his health concerns. It’s a disaster waiting to happen for anyone who trades for him.

I am serious when I say I honestly would think hard about Howden and a 1st for Eichel. That’s $10M cap space we won’t have in a few years for a guy who we hope might be able to skate a year from now?