Kings News: Rob Blake to replace Hextall as Assistant GM

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Kings are not going to Stanley Cup finals 93 without McSorley who was a complete stud that spring. He was one of the top 3-5 most important players that run. Who gives a **** about the stick incident. That had nothing to do with why we lost.
 

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I think that was the worst mistake he made, and thankfully some sense was talked into him by Taylor and Andy Murray to keep the "C" on. But to play devil's advocate, let's put ourselves in a similar scenario. Say you've been in a marriage for 12 years, then your spouse approaches you to tell you that you have to give more in the relationship and if you don't, they're going to divorce you and there is zero room for compromise. That's how the negotiations were approached by AEG.

1) That's how pretty much all failed (and some successfull) negotiations go. They ALL end with a take-it-or-leave-it offer - and in fact it's by both the team and the player. It wasn't unique to Blake or the Kings. The thing is that nobody, at least since expansion, has ever resigned the Captaincy over it. And most players don't go public with those negotiations, which Blake did again and again until the Kings finally had to respond.
2) What do you think of Blake's tactic in 2008 of giving the Kings a take-it-or-leave-it offer of $4M? Goose...Gander...?

Now I agree that Blake did not handle it professionally, but I could also understand why he was taken aback by the Kings' approach when they presented the offer with a firm ultimatum if he did not accept the contract under their terms and their terms only. They were not interested in the least bit in negotiating. An even bigger joke is that they did eventually move from their ultimatum and kept increasing their offer as the season progressed, but the damage was already done by that point and Blake felt that he was not wanted by the Kings.

1) But that offer was after they had already raised and raised and raised their offer. Eventually all negotiators reach a final number. Of course, sometimes pressures change and what someone thought was "final" really wasn't. But anyone who says DT didn't believe the "final offer" really was "final" is calling DT a liar...and I don't believe that to be the case. I've talked to him far too many times and while he wouldn't always tell you the truth, he never ever lied...he just would say.

2) Being offered a contract that was the 2nd highest in the NHL is BY NO MEANS a signal that you aren't wanted. That's just BS. They just didn't want to pay 20% of their payroll budget to one guy.

It's also sad to read how Taylor pretty much came off as just a puppet to Leiweke and AEG. He was more of the middle man doing damage control in trying to patch things up and calm things down to get Blake back to the negotiating table while Leiweke, Gilmore, and AEG dictated the negotiations. It was under their orders as to how much Taylor would be capped at to get Blake re-signed and they set their own deadline to determine when to move him had he not been signed.

Not really. I don't know if you've ever talked to DT but I have and so have friends of mine. DT was given a budget and was allowed (just as DL was) and was allowed to spend it as he chose. Had he wanted to get more $$ in the budget to pay Blake, he could have. And they didn't set the NHL's trade deadline...the NHL did.

I would also like to bring up how often the Kings back then would have significant players miss parts of camp due to them holding out. This was a common occurrence under AEG.

It was common in the NHL...not just with the Kings.

Remember how Norstrom wasn't re-signed until the day before the start of the regular season?

Yup.

Aki Berg returned to Finland for a full season which may have actually stunted his development (not to mention the piss poor handling of him as a teenager, you could include Jokinen and countless others as well).

What's funny about that is that the #1 reason he went back to Finland (and my friends in Finland backed it up) was because he didn't want to continue playing in the AHL. He wanted to play in the NHL and get paid like he was...so he bolted. It was a rash, terrible, immature decision that helped ruin his career. Berg's contract problems that year were 100% on him.

Storr, Matt Johnson, Stumpel, Blake, etc. For some reason, contract negotiations were never easy during that period. I'd say it is more fair and sensible to find both parties equally at fault. You have to keep in mind that AEG didn't show any loyalty to players back then, and it's been well documented that it wasn't just their handling of Rob Blake that proves this to be true.

But that's how the NHL was back than...again, it wasn't unique to the Kings. Unless you were willing to WAAY overpay a player (the Avs with Sakic, Forsberg, Roy & Blake...the Rangers with Leetch), he'd hold out (the Ducks with Kariya) or you'd have to trade him (Bure, Tkachuk, Weight). It's why NJ was a revolving door of players (Guerin...Rolston...Holik...Arnott) and what ultimately led to the 04-05 lockout.

And that is why I'm thankful that Lombardi took the job here. Also keep in mind that before accepting the job, Lombardi was warned that they (AEG) wouldn't give him carte blanche to run the team as he saw fit. Thankfully Leiweke relented and gave Lombardi freedom to run the team as he envisioned it to be and not Leiweke's vision of how the team should be. Remember how often he talked about getting a star to play at Staples Center? His interest wasn't about building a successful team, it was only about dollars and cents. Come up with a stupid catchy slogan, spend money on marketing, and sell a pseudo five-year plan as if he's interested in building a winning culture here. That never came to fruition until Dean Lombardi stepped in.

Ok, I don't know where you got this info, but I was at DL's 2nd breakfast and spent about 30 minutes with him and a bunch of other people (I still have the audio recording). And straight from DL's mouth, here's what he said: He asked TL which of 3 ways he was going to be asked to run the team: 1) be happy making the playoffs and making money - don't worry about winning the Cup; 2) go into full rebuild from the ground up; or 3) rebuild on the fly - make the playoffs and rebuild at the same time. DL wanted #2 but TL told him no way...do #3.

So DL did that...and failed so miserably at it after 2 yrs that the Kings had no options but to go into full rebuild. If he had actually been good at the job he was hired to do, there would have been no full rebuild...and likely no Cup. But it was NOT his plan, he failed and fell into it. DT's problem was that he did the job he was hired to do too well - but couldn't build the kind of developmental system DL has...in part because AEG was still paying off McNall's debt until even after Blake left.
 

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"Ok,so up comes #33 hate again. I'd like to set a few people straight regarding Marty and that stick. Being a grandparent, I've been around a hell of a lot longer than most of you and the night of said stick incident was completely a different situation than has been spread around for years. In those days, illegal sticks were being used by many,many players. Marty had been a scoring threat, along with running interference for Gretz for a long time. Habs coach Jacques Demers wanted Marty out of that game in a big time way. Some years ago Pat LaFontaine and Luc were being interviewed prior to an all-star game and of course, that subject came up. Luc chuckled and said yeah, when that stick was called to attention by Demers, you could hear sticks breaking over on the Habs bench. (figure that out people)
It's also a fact that Demers had sent one of his people into the Kings locker room and checked out the sticks so, he knew in advance just what to do at the right time. End of Marty McSorley saga please."

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First WTF does being a grandparent have to do with my having an irrational grudge against #33, oh I know you lost your sence of humor as you got older and feel an irrational need to lecture everyone else on how they should think LMAO ..... and lighten the hell up my post was in jest, we lost that series because of the hockey gods still weren't ready for sunbelt hockey and took it out on us everyone knows that duh.........this issupposed to be for enjoyment here not to post and then get ripped , why do yopu think we lost so many of the guys we enjoyed for so long here, capt. ron, zad, jdm,diehardthekingsfan, they still go to games see some of them around in between periods , but it is not as much fun to post ,we ue to discuss things argue even now its a combination of *****ing at each other,lecturing or borderline abuse .....have a good summer I got to go play with my grandkids
 
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jules

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On the topic of Marty, I can share opinions that I heard from players 'backstage' at Tip-A-King the year after the cup run.

Between the autograph sessions, the players took a break in a back room at Santa Anita, and the general vibe surrounding Marty and the stick was that he shouldn't have even been out on the ice at that time. It should have been Paul Coffey. Paul Coffey's playoff PPG was brought up, and generally, any outward anger that was being expressed that day was not at directed any particular player, but rather at management for dealing Coffey, which (if memory serves me correctly) was because of McNall's cash flow issues.

Obviously, there's Roy, and there's a team that lost 4 straight, so I personally wouldn't put the loss on Paul Coffey or no Paul Coffey, but at the time, the players seemed pretty behind Marty.
 
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Marty wasn't the issue in 93'.

I still remember 93' fondly because of the series against the Leafs was one of the all-time greatest playoff series ever. We won it, and you can make the case that the WCF in 93' overshadows the SCF that year because it went 7 games and there was a ton of drama.

That series was one of the all time best playoff series in sports, and I'm glad and proud of that 93' team!
 

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On the topic of Marty, I can share opinions that I heard from players 'backstage' at Tip-A-King the year after the cup run.

Between the autograph sessions, the players took a break in a back room at Santa Anita, and the general vibe surrounding Marty and the stick was that he shouldn't have even been out on the ice at that time. It should have been Paul Coffey. Paul Coffey's playoff PPG was brought up, and generally, any outward anger that was being expressed that day was not at directed any particular player, but rather at management for dealing Coffey, which (if memory serves me correctly) was because of McNall's cash flow issues.

Obviously, there's Roy, and there's a team that lost 4 straight, so I personally wouldn't put the loss on Paul Coffey or no Paul Coffey, but at the time, the players seemed pretty behind Marty.

So the players thought that the Dman out on the ice protecting a 1 goal lead was the one who couldn't play defense to save his life?
 

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So the players thought that the Dman out on the ice protecting a 1 goal lead was the one who couldn't play defense to save his life?

That's incorrect because Coffey was traded during the trade deadline for Jimmy Carson, Gary Shuchuk and Marc Potvin.... So Coffey wasn't on the team that made it to the finals.
 

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That's incorrect because Coffey was traded during the trade deadline for Jimmy Carson, Gary Shuchuk and Marc Potvin.... So Coffey wasn't on the team that made it to the finals.

Right, but apparently the players were mad that Coffey was traded and should have been on the ice instead of McSorley...
 

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Right, but apparently the players were mad that Coffey was traded and should have been on the ice instead of McSorley...

... and if the refs had called John McLean for being in the crease when the tying goal was scored, this Blake thread wouldn't have morphed into a McSorley thread.

The "in the crease/no goal" was in full force in '93, and the Kings had plenty of goals called back when a toe or heel was touching the line. McLean had both feet clearly over the line when the goal was scored.
 
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You could split hairs for days.

That's why I loved that Playoff run, there was so many story lines and drama that followed in that run. Every fan of the teams we ran into still talk about our series with them in 93. Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, Montreal. It was just an unreal time and can only imagine the hype machine that would have surrounded the Kings then if there was 24/7 sports networks then.
 

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... and if the refs had called John McLean for being in the crease when the tying goal was scored, this Blake thread wouldn't have morphed into a McSorley thread.

The "in the crease/no goal" was in full force in '93, and the Kings had plenty of goals called back when a toe or heel was touching the line. McLean had both feet clearly over the line when the goal was scored.

I assume you mean John LeClair? :dunno:
 

jules

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Right, but apparently the players were mad that Coffey was traded and should have been on the ice instead of McSorley...

I mean, you can certainly poke holes in the player's logic here. My point was more that the guy's teammates weren't putting the loss on him, and that was less than 12 months later.
 

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