What about Ristolainen for Zadina? Both were high draft picks, Both have huge advantage over other players in +/- department.
PassWhat about Ristolainen for Zadina? Both were high draft picks, Both have huge advantage over other players in +/- department.
I'm not sure I understand how Mantha has a higher ceiling than AA.
I think they share similar weaknesses, that could potentially solve themselves with maturity and experience.
Either of them plus the right kind of maturity and experience is potentially an amazing player. But it's questionable whether either of them will gain that. So I don't know how you can decide between them.
That is absolutely horrifyingWhat about Ristolainen for Zadina? Both were high draft picks, Both have huge advantage over other players in +/- department.
We sort of already leveraged our top 4 on the right side though is my issue with this now. I get that Seider isn't a certainty but you cannot block his role long-term.
If we move for Risto or if Trouba pushes through arbitration to free agency I mean yes I have interest, but realistically that pits one of the player x, Hronek and Seider on the block. Now I get the crowd saying Seider is a few years off but seriously our team structure on the right side has changed significantly over the last month. We actually would be better served acquiring on the left in my opinion.
Still in that scenario like others in this thread I am far more interested in moving AA instead of Mantha.
He plays for Buffalo, what would Drew Doughty be over there? -90?Ristolainen is -143 in his career. And is consistently the worst or near worst on his team. He never "brings it"
Yes. His value is it's highest right now. I'm fully expecting him to go invisible next year for at least 1/3 of the season again...We should have traded Mantha after the World Championships this summer
Every casual fan on the main boards thought he was Todd Bertuzzi circa 2000 for 2 weeks
He plays for Buffalo, what would Drew Doughty be over there? -90?
Here are my thoughts on this:
-I don't know if I would do this particular trade, but this is the kind of trade we are going to have to do at some point.
-Everyone wants a good young defenseman, but no one wants to pay the price for one. Sometimes you have to sell high. Sometimes you have to take a risk.
-Defenseman are more valuable than wingers. So the winger you are going to give up is going to be better than the defenseman you get back. That's just how it works.
Yeah I understand that a RHD PP specialist is less needed than reliable LD on the backend after Hronek's season and drafting Seider, but I still think we just need more talent back there regardless of side and playstyle. If we end up trading Risto in a few years or moving one of them to the left because we have too many good RD, then that's a way better problem than "Hronek and maybe Cholo are our only good defenseman"
I'm not sure I understand how Mantha has a higher ceiling than AA.
I think they share similar weaknesses, that could potentially solve themselves with maturity and experience.
Either of them plus the right kind of maturity and experience is potentially an amazing player. But it's questionable whether either of them will gain that. So I don't know how you can decide between them.
they both have some similar weaknesses yes,but AA also has some pretty serious issues with hockey sense and using his teammates that Mantha doesn't
not a doubt in my mind which one has the higher ceiling,AA will always be best suited in a secondary role where he mostly relies on himself while Mantha could be more than that
realistically though both of these guys will be 25 by the time next season starts and have played 200+ NHL games and probably pretty much are what they are at this point
Totally understand, however it impacts the premium I am willing to pay for a right handed dman. Mantha is too significant for me there.
Exactly.speaking of Doughty he was a -34 just this year
that's what happens when you play big minutes on a bad team
He plays for Buffalo, what would Drew Doughty be over there? -90?
I’ll keep AA and Mantha