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Value of: Ristolainen to Toronto.

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LEAFANFORLIFE23

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For not one, but 2 worse players, apparently.
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I couldn't be less interested in Dylan Demelo maybe if you got a real top 4 D and THEN Dylan Demelo because then you are upgrading 2 pairs.

But if he is the primary add I'm not interested because he won't make a difference by himself
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I couldn't be less interested in Dylan Demelo maybe if you got a real top 4 D and THEN Dylan Demelo because then you are upgrading 2 pairs.

But if he is the primary add I'm not interested because he won't make a difference by himself
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So for the Leafs, your order of preference of these three, is Risto, then Hamonic, then DeMelo????

It's almost like you have no idea what the Leafs needs are, nor what these players bring to the table. It's completely baffling.
 
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So for the Leafs, your order of preference of these three, is Risto, then Hamonic, then DeMelo????

It's almost like you have no idea what the Leafs needs are, nor what these players bring to the table. It's completely baffling.
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I'm confused as well. Almost like the Leafs would be acquiring them for their past reputations, and not the players they actually are today.
 

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So for the Leafs, your order of preference of these three, is Risto, then Hamonic, then DeMelo????

It's almost like you have no idea what the Leafs needs are, nor what these players bring to the table. It's completely baffling.
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No my preference would be David Savard, or Adam Larsson but I think Risto is a more likely option because unlike Savard or Larsson Risto has term and Dubas has said he wants a guy with term and it's been confirmed the Leafs have inquired about Risto
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
No my preference would be David Savard, or Adam Larsson but I think Risto is a more likely option because unlike Savard or Larsson Risto has term and Dubas has said he wants a guy with term and it's been confirmed the Leafs have inquired about Risto
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It'll be interesting now, because that was probably pre-Botterill-canning, and with Krueger's proclaimed love of Risto, it's tough to gauge if they'll trade him now.

I think you'll find high buy-in from Sabres fans to still trade him, but our organizational demolition makes Risto's availability less clear.
 

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It'll be interesting now, because that was probably pre-Botterill-canning, and with Krueger's proclaimed love of Risto, it's tough to gauge if they'll trade him now.

I think you'll find high buy-in from Sabres fans to still trade him, but our organizational demolition makes Risto's availability less clear.
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Didn't he kind of demand a trade? i seem to recall him doing that
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Didn't he kind of demand a trade? i seem to recall him doing that
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Pre-2019-2020, basically yeah, he did.

He also said that before a season with Krueger, and I know Krueger's the first Buffalo coach Risto has liked. He made that clear in the post-season presser.

2020 Post-season Risto presser was less "I want to be traded", and more "I think they'll trade me". And again, this for before the Pegula's pressed the red button.

Really the only thing Sabres fans know for sure about their own organization right now, is that the new GM said he'd take analytics more seriously, and then promoted our 1 analytic guy to assistant director of scouting. You'd think if that's the path, Risto's days are numbered, but everything is so ambiguous right now.
 
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Risto is the last type of guy Toronto needs, they already have Reilly for offence. They need another Muzzin type who is gritty and defensive.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Didn't he kind of demand a trade? i seem to recall him doing that
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Eh, I always had a kinda optimistic take on it- there was some question about whether he wanted to stay, and he responded somethin like “I want to win. If they don’t want to win here, maybe i have to move on.” Still not good, but he apparently likes Krueger, he played better last year- if they could just friggin win I’d hope that one concern goes away. ‘Cause personally I like Risto. Analytics hate him, but I’m convinced he’d suddenly look much better on another team. Dude plays 23+ minutes a night against top lines on a bad team, of course he’s gonna get caved analytically.
 
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Eh, I always had a kinda optimistic take on it- there was some question about whether he wanted to stay, and he responded somethin like “I want to win. If they don’t want to win here, maybe i have to move on.” Still not good, but he apparently likes Krueger, he played better last year- if they could just friggin win I’d hope that one concern goes away. ‘Cause personally I like Risto. Analytics hate him, but I’m convinced he’d suddenly look much better on another team. Dude plays 23+ minutes a night against top lines on a bad team, of course he’s gonna get caved analytically.
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I'm a fan, as well. Some people in this thread are actingacting like Ristolainen is a clone of Tyson Barrie, or something. He's got an offense first game, sometimes. True. And he does make some bad giveaways, from the games I've seen. But he's huge, and does throw hits.

He's closer to Muzzin than Barrie. Especially if you cut his ice time down by a minute or two, and paired him with someone like Rielly.
 
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I'm a fan, as well. Some people in this thread are actingacting like Ristolainen is a clone of Tyson Barrie, or something. He's got an offense first game, sometimes. True. And he does make some bad giveaways, from the games I've seen. But he's huge, and does throw hits.

He's closer to Muzzin than Barrie. Especially if you cut his ice time down by a minute or two, and paired him with someone like Rielly.
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I think would be tried with Rielly because everybody is, but I think he'd be paired with Muzzin long term.
 
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qqaz said:
I'm a fan, as well. Some people in this thread are actingacting like Ristolainen is a clone of Tyson Barrie, or something. He's got an offense first game, sometimes. True. And he does make some bad giveaways, from the games I've seen. But he's huge, and does throw hits.

He's closer to Muzzin than Barrie. Especially if you cut his ice time down by a minute or two, and paired him with someone like Rielly.
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Definitely- I think he just never learned poise or patience in dzone decisions, he got thrown into big minutes early and got used to just throwing the puck up the boards to escape trouble. Having a good partner who can serve as an escape route would really help- sounds ridiculous, but if Risto just didn’t have to touch the puck inside the blue line he’d be great. It’s like he remembers how to skate once he’s past that point, thus the offense despite no real outlet game.
 
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