NFL: Reports: Kaepernick filing grievance against owners for collusion

[mouser]

Looks like 7 of the owners texts and phone calls are going to be looked at. Would be very interesting if they find anything.

Apparently Jerry Jones, McNair, York and 4 other owners are going to be deposed.

That's what Kaepernick is requesting. We don't know at this time if the NFL will challenge any of those requests or whether the arbitrator will grant all those discovery requests.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Kyle McMahon]

He made a choice to make a statement by being the 1st to take a knee and bring attention to himself/his cause but he should also sue for it??? Didn't he want coverage for his cause?

The fact is none of these teams want a media circus for what he potentially brings to the table.

Saying he should sue ESPN was tongue in cheek. Fact is, if media could just avoid sensationalism for 10 seconds and not send any more reporters than normal to cover whichever team signed him or ask the coach for his opinion on kneeling or other questions intended only to pester, he'd have been signed by now. But you know the media wouldn't be able to help themselves and there would be 50 idiots with microphones barging into the locker room. No coach wants that.

As far as I know, this is not collusion. This is just 32 individual coaches saying no thanks to an extra media presence for the sake of a player who is a backup at this point.

 

[Butch 19]

He just got paid 7 figures for a book deal.

Does he know where the decimal point is going to be?

 

[Voight]

Agree that it's pointless for Kaepernick though. Showing skill level isn't what is needed for him, everyone knows his skill level. For big name prominent players with extensive NFL resumes the CFL is not generally a good strategy to get back in NFL.

Its an option for him to play football. But if he prefers to sit at home and just go to the gym, that's fine. Don't complain about not playing.

Looks like 7 of the owners texts and phone calls are going to be looked at. Would be very interesting if they find anything.

I would hope the owners are smarter than to leave a paper trail. Phone calls wont do much tho, all its going to show is they called each other which is perfectly normal.

He's not suing because of the cause, he's suing because he thinks owners are colluding to keep him out of the league.

Apparently Jerry Jones, McNair, York and 4 other owners are going to be deposed.

Goodell as well.

 

[Troy McClure]

Its an option for him to play football. But if he prefers to sit at home and just go to the gym, that's fine. Don't complain about not playing.

The CFL season is in the playoffs, so no, it's not an option.

 

[Voight]

The CFL season is in the playoffs, so no, it's not an option.

I didn't mean right now.

 

[Troy McClure]

I didn't mean right now.

Maybe he would have if the league had let him know over the summer they were going to collude to keep him from getting on an NFL roster.

 

[Voight]

Maybe he would have if the league had let him know over the summer they were going to collude to keep him from getting on an NFL roster.

For one, they didn't collude.

He should have known in advance it was going to be hard to get another job given what he did. Teams do not want that unnecessary attention. Nor do they want to design their offence around him.

Other teams gave him chances. The Ravens were seriously looking at him until his girlfriend snapped on them/Ray Lewis. Miami could have been an option had he not worn that Castro shirt.

 

[Shockmaster]

For one, they didn't collude.

He should have known in advance it was going to be hard to get another job given what he did. Teams do not want that unnecessary attention. Nor do they want to design their offence around him.

Other teams gave him chances. The Ravens were seriously looking at him until his girlfriend snapped on them/Ray Lewis. Miami could have been an option had he not worn that Castro shirt.

Seattle had him in briefly, but ultimately chose not to sign him because Carrol thought he “was a starter.” Rumors were the real reason Seattle didn’t sign him is because they were worried there might be a QB controversy any time Wilson had a bad game.

 

[Troy McClure]

For one, they didn't collude.

He should have known in advance it was going to be hard to get another job given what he did. Teams do not want that unnecessary attention. Nor do they want to design their offence around him.

Other teams gave him chances. The Ravens were seriously looking at him until his girlfriend snapped on them/Ray Lewis. Miami could have been an option had he not worn that Castro shirt.

So you're holding him responsible for not be psychic. You are blaming him for failing to chase a job in the CFL because you think he should have been able to read the mind of every NFL owner and executive to know he would not be offered an NFL opportunity.

I know you don't like him, but don't hold him to unreasonable expectations. He saw a bunch of other players kneel during last season, and none of them lost their jobs over it. So it's pretty crazy to think he should have known early in the summer when the CFL season began that he (and he alone) would be blackballed from the NFL.

 

[Baxterman]

So you're holding him responsible for not be psychic. You are blaming him for failing to chase a job in the CFL because you think he should have been able to read the mind of every NFL owner and executive to know he would not be offered an NFL opportunity.

I know you don't like him, but don't hold him to unreasonable expectations. He saw a bunch of other players kneel during last season, and none of them lost their jobs over it. So it's pretty crazy to think he should have known early in the summer when the CFL season began that he (and he alone) would be blackballed from the NFL.

Except he wasn't blackballed from the NFL for kneeling he was not signed because he is not good enough to help teams win.

And yes he or his agent should have judged the lack of interest from NFL teams as a sign that he was unlikely to be signed. He didn't have to sign at the start of the CFL season but he easily could have joined a team in September or even October if he is truly interested in keeping his career going and not only interested in bringing attention to himself and trying to blame everyone else for his problems.

 

[Voight]

Seattle had him in briefly, but ultimately chose not to sign him because Carrol thought he “was a starter.” Rumors were the real reason Seattle didn’t sign him is because they were worried there might be a QB controversy any time Wilson had a bad game.

That's hard to believe given how good Wilson is and what he's done for the team.

So you're holding him responsible for not be psychic. You are blaming him for failing to chase a job in the CFL because you think he should have been able to read the mind of every NFL owner and executive to know he would not be offered an NFL opportunity.

I know you don't like him, but don't hold him to unreasonable expectations. He saw a bunch of other players kneel during last season, and none of them lost their jobs over it. So it's pretty crazy to think he should have known early in the summer when the CFL season began that he (and he alone) would be blackballed from the NFL.

He was the first to sit during the anthem, and then first to kneel. Fair or not that puts him at the forefront of the controversy and thus affects his chances of finding employment in his specific field.

While the EJ Manuel's, Ryan Mallet's and Geno Smith's of the NFL were getting signed and he was at home without a phone call, I think that was a pretty good indication of his employment prospects for this season. He had to think "hmmm why are career backups and below average QBs getting these offers and I'm not??"

 

[Shockmaster]

That's hard to believe given how good Wilson is and what he's done for the team.

It’s not hard to believe when it’s been reported before that there have been rifts in Seattle between the offense and defense since the goal line interception in the Super Bowl. Could easily see someone like Sherman calling for Kaepernick if Wilson had a few bad games like he did earlier in the season.

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

Seattle had him in briefly, but ultimately chose not to sign him because Carrol thought he “was a starter.” Rumors were the real reason Seattle didn’t sign him is because they were worried there might be a QB controversy any time Wilson had a bad game.

This would happen with pretty much any team who signed him unless it was like GB or NE. That combined with the media attention, his skillset vs. teams offense and a few owners who are just flat out against signing him are all factors as to why he's still unemployed.

Him filing that grievance sure hasn't helped matters either.

 

[m9]

Wilson is one of the best QBs in the world and there was absolutely no chance of a QB controversy if they added Kaepernick.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

People once said the same about 49ers adding a bust in Steve Young to team

 

[YEM]

both Houston and Green Bay are starting guys who are just objectively horrendous at QB
GB's pass plays last night were just as simple as could be, looked like the game plan was dumbed down so that a JV high school QB could execute these elementary passing plays but they could not

amazing that these two teams, who are both fairly good otherwise, are letting their seasons totally slip away with replacement-level players at QB over giving Kaep a try

 

[Shockmaster]

Wilson is one of the best QBs in the world and there was absolutely no chance of a QB controversy if they added Kaepernick.

There shouldn’t be, but again, the Seahawks have some out-spoken guys on defense. Management probably figured it would be best to avoid that situation altogether.

 

[Duke33]

both Houston and Green Bay are starting guys who are just objectively horrendous at QB
GB's pass plays last night were just as simple as could be, looked like the game plan was dumbed down so that a JV high school QB could execute these elementary passing plays but they could not

amazing that these two teams, who are both fairly good otherwise, are letting their seasons totally slip away with replacement-level players at QB over giving Kaep a try

Have you seen Houston play? Even with Watson they were losing games because their once top-ranked NFL defense has been shredded. Their season was lost when Watt and Mercilus went down in the same game for the season.

Why bring in someone who would be extremely unpopular, at best, in Texas, when your season is already a car crash? Remember this same coaching brainchild somehow for some reason thought Savage was a better option to start Game 1 than Watson after the preseason.

This morning on all the local networks they had polls about this, should the Texans sign him, etc. The results were overwhelmingly "NO" or "who cares/we're sick of hearing about him. The team already got ripped pretty bad by the fan base for the stuff they pulled last week. Some of the tweets people were sending in (to one of the affiliates I was watching anyway) were pretty forward. Ticketholders said they'd cancel their plans if he was signed. Once said he'd switch allegiance to the Cowboys overnight. Many said they're already struggling to keep watching the NFL and this would finish any little interest or support they had left.

The media just doesn't get that the majority of NFL fans are sick and tired of this whole thing, and the ratings, etc. prove it. Each time someone gets hurt this clown's name comes up. I almost wish the Texans would sign him just to see the **** storm that would go down at the next home game.

 

[YEM]

Have you seen Houston play? Even with Watson they were losing games because their once top-ranked NFL defense has been shredded. Their season was lost when Watt and Mercilus went down in the same game for the season.

they lost to New England, KC, & Seattle in games he started
not a lot to be ashamed about there

I do agree that people in Texas would rather be casually racist than possibly win football games, guess the inmates are really running the asylum...

 

[Baxterman]

they lost to New England, KC, & Seattle in games he started
not a lot to be ashamed about there

I do agree that people in Texas would rather be casually racist than possibly win football games, guess the inmates are really running the asylum...

Just to be clear the casual racists are the same guys who traded up to draft and then start a black QB?

Those are the guys you are claiming are now not signing a QB due to him being black?

 

[Voight]

both Houston and Green Bay are starting guys who are just objectively horrendous at QB
GB's pass plays last night were just as simple as could be, looked like the game plan was dumbed down so that a JV high school QB could execute these elementary passing plays but they could not

amazing that these two teams, who are both fairly good otherwise, are letting their seasons totally slip away with replacement-level players at QB over giving Kaep a try

The season is half over... it doesn't make sense to sign a guy you have to re-design your offence around. Hundley & Savage are nothing more than backups but they also know their coaches playbook and were able to slot in with ease. Neither team is going to want the parade of reporters and cameras following him either, taking away attention from the other players & team itself.

 

[Shockmaster]

The season is half over... it doesn't make sense to sign a guy you have to re-design your offence around. Hundley & Savage are nothing more than backups but they also know their coaches playbook and were able to slot in with ease. Neither team is going to want the parade of reporters and cameras following him either, taking away attention from the other players & team itself.

I also think people calling for a team to sign Kaepernick are assuming he'll just jump right back into the thick of things with a new team and regain his 2012-2013 form.

 

[spintheblackcircle]