[Report] Marner Carjacked at Gunpoint

[PeE eL DuBoiS]

Marner literally gets robbed at gunpoint and people are cracking jokes...Seriously, what's wrong with some people?

This is terrifying, I hope he's good

This. Not a lot of class in this thread.

 

[Sun God Nika]

This. Not a lot of class in this thread.

It’s the way society is trending right now . Everyone trying to be edgy and getting likes and it’s a consequence of being pushed to hard the other way where it wasn’t appropriate to say a lot of things. I am scared for future generations getting raised on the internet right now

 

[PunchImlach is Alive]

I remember an old song by the Dead Milkmen (whoah wtf?) with a line in it I never forgot.

"If we all have guns we won't have crooks"

You may want to go back and re-read the title of that song and the entire context of what the line is about.

 

[TooManyHumans]

Sorry do you think it’s only rednecks who own guns? Kind of ignorant.

I think rednecks are basically the only ones who own guns under some deluded belief that they are ready to repel some sort of invasion, either from a foreign country or their own government coming to take their guns. It's silly on its face. I find it hilarious that you actually believe the reason there has not been an invasion of the continental US is that citizens own guns. Because some foreign invader will be able to overcome our actual military and all the physical obstacles in the way of a foreign invasion but they will definitely be stopped by randos with hunting rifles. Randos who have a hard enough time not shooting each other or falling drunk out of tree stands when trying to hunt deer.

 

[Cas]

Other countries have had Navy’s for years. And Air Forces. We’re pretty easy to get to really. Sure you’d have to get past our Navy but if you do you wouldn’t stand a chance if you did.

Show me you've never studied military history without saying you've never studied military history.

Normally I wouldn't bother with such a clearly off-topic response, but that was just so bad I had to.

Amphibious operations are notoriously difficult and get progressively more difficult the further from your secure resupply bases they are. Add on a continental opponent with a massive population and secure industrial base (the United States has been that for close to two centuries now), and the amphibious lift requirements, as well as the naval firepower needed to escort that lift, become astronomical - we're talking the need to transport literally millions of soldiers and millions of tons of equipment and supplies. The logistical requirements would dwarf the entire modern global supping industry.

You could not only eliminate every civilian firearm, but every civilian, police, and military firearm in the country and not reduce American security against foreign invasion by a sliver. The oceans alone are a nigh-insurmountable barrier, and are protected by naval and air power that are the equal of the entire rest of the world combined.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

That's not defending yourself. That's "defending" property. And I use quotes because in reality you're attacking them.

The moment a weapon is involved, and pointed at YOU, it's about self defense.

No sane person gets a weapon and says "I will ensure this weapon is only a tool in the hopes of me obtaining my objective of robbery and only robbery; I sure hope they do not retaliate as I would definitely not use this weapon in my hand--even in the heat of the moment. After all, I am a sane individual about to commit a seriously illegal crime against a stranger human being."

Someone willing to carry out a robbery, also can be rattled enough to do what's needed to be done to ensure the robbery is successful.

Mitch Marner driving around sketchy areas of Toronto is going to be the Franz Ferdinand moment of the downfall of the American empire.

Good thread guys.

He drove around one of the best areas in all of Toronto.

Do you really think they're looking for a fight? No, they want your stuff and that's it.

It's really simple, but I assume you've never been robbed, so I understand your ignorance.

If only it really was that simple. It isn't. Most of the time it is, but your life vs 20% chance you're dead if the robber is even somewhat agitated by something you did not cause to happen during the robbery.

 

[CanadienShark]

The moment a weapon is involved, and pointed at YOU, it's about self defense.

No sane person gets a weapon and says "I will ensure this weapon is only a tool in the hopes of me obtaining my objective of robbery and only robbery; I sure hope they do not retaliate as I would definitely not use this weapon in my hand--even in the heat of the moment. After all, I am a sane individual about to commit a seriously illegal crime against a stranger human being."

Someone willing to carry out a robbery, also can be rattled enough to do what's needed to be done to ensure the robbery is successful.



He drove around one of the best areas in all of Toronto.



If only it really was that simple. It isn't. Most of the time it is, but your life vs 20% chance you're dead if the robber is even somewhat agitated by something you did not cause to happen during the robbery.

What made you do a 180°?

I agreed with you up until now.

 

[Green]

I am going to guess the police are working overtime in trying to catch who did this (and they will find them), meanwhile if it was an average joe who had their carjacked they wouldn't give it a 2nd look, at least that is how it works in the States

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

What made you do a 180°?

I agreed with you up until now.

I've seen guys rob for power, not just for stuff. I've also seen robbery's turn terribly wrong not due to the victim's actions.

 

[ColbyChaos]

Take a breath and a step back. Re-read what I said. I feel no sympathy for robbers. I never said otherwise.

Here's some food for thought, since you can't seem to grasp this concept... If the person wanted to hurt you, they would have BEFORE giving you a heads up. Do you really think they're looking for a fight? No, they want your stuff and that's it.

It's really simple, but I assume you've never been robbed, so I understand your ignorance.

I worked in a ghetto and had to live there for residency requirements for my job lmao. Your responses scream of someone whos never lived outside a suburb.

The moment a deadly weapon is involved your life becomes at risk. Get a clue before responding any further.

 

[PunchImlach is Alive]

I am going to guess the police are working overtime in trying to catch who did this (and they will find them), meanwhile if it was an average joe who had their carjacked they wouldn't give it a 2nd look, at least that is how it works in the States

Oh yeah they're working overtime to go fetch a Range Rover for a millionaire.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

You may want to go back and re-read the title of that song and the entire context of what the line is about.

I do want to.

How the hell am I supposed to remember the title of a song I heard on cassette tape when I was a teenager?

I mean, I know about smoking bannanna peels and doing donuts on my lawn in a camaro.

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

I am going to guess the police are working overtime in trying to catch who did this (and they will find them), meanwhile if it was an average joe who had their carjacked they wouldn't give it a 2nd look, at least that is how it works in the States

LOL not a damn chance the police are doing anything about it. That car is long gone to another country with its GPS disabled.

 

[PunchImlach is Alive]

I do want to.

How the hell am I supposed to remember the title of a song I heard on cassette tape when I was a teenager?

I mean, I know about smoking bannanna peels and doing donuts on my lawn in a camaro.

It's called "Right Wing Pigeons"

Dead Milkmen are pretty good.

 

[ColbyChaos]

I am going to guess the police are working overtime in trying to catch who did this (and they will find them), meanwhile if it was an average joe who had their carjacked they wouldn't give it a 2nd look, at least that is how it works in the States

Tell me you dont work in law enforcement without telling me. Can speak for IL but stolen cars are recovered all the time it just doesnt get made into a big news spectacle. IL has Flock Cameras and NVLS cameras, set up on most highways and interstates that lead to stolen cars being recovered all the time. Even repo cars find stolen vehicles with license plate readers. More often than not they are just recovered unoccupied in your local ghetto or in a major city (Chicago, Rockford, Joliet etc) a couple days later and towed to a town the registered owner lives in. Majority of the time even if someone is driving it, the owner just wants their car back and doesnt want to press charges so they are just hit with a criminal tresspass to vehicle charge and move on.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

LOL not a damn chance the police are doing anything about it. That car is long gone to another country with its GPS disabled.

You don't think there's pressure on the police to do something about this?

Every tax paying citizen is now wondering why it's simply whatever for a person to get car jacked and have their vehicle shipped off to Russia or wherever. And the press are asking the same questions.

I'd say these carjackers f'd up and exposed something that needs to be addressed, and now it will be addressed, because of them. They're probably already six feet under.

It's called "Right Wing Pigeons"

Dead Milkmen are pretty good.

Thanks for doing the leg work there (see how I did that?)

Ahhh, the Dead Milkmen, smokin' bannana peels......

 

[CanadienShark]

I've seen guys rob for power, not just for stuff. I've also seen robbery's turn terribly wrong not due to the victim's actions.

Oh really? Please elaborate on these robberies you've "seen." Please.

It really doesn't take a whole lot of brainpower to realize how stupid that idea is. Again, why in the world would they threaten you, give you a chance to attack them, and THEN go ahead to attack you? Please answer that.

I've been robbed before. Have you?

I worked in a ghetto and had to live there for residency requirements for my job lmao. Your responses scream of someone whos never lived outside a suburb.

The moment a deadly weapon is involved your life becomes at risk. Get a clue before responding any further.

Congrats man. I lived in "the hood" for over half a decade. I know what's up. Seen a friend chased with a 6 inch blade midday.

Stop trying to act tough and think for a second.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Congrats man. I lived in "the hood" for over half a decade. I know what's up. Seen a friend chased with a 6 inch blade midday.

Stop trying to act tough and think for a second.

I lived in the heart of one for 22 years. Should tell you all you need to know.

Maybe robberies outside of it are different--which is where your perspective seems to be coming from.

But the guy you quoted is right, moment a deadly weapon is involved, your life as big a risk in that moment than any other phenomena you'd experience. It isn't always the case, but a hell of a percentage for it to be concerning and a notable consideration.

 

[D1az]

What has been the development in Toronto over the years in terms of crime? Been getting better, worse or stable? And are the types of crimes changing?

 

[CanadienShark]

I lived in the heart of one for 22 years. Should tell you all you need to know.

Maybe robberies outside of it are different--which is where your perspective seems to be coming from.

But the guy you quoted is right, moment a deadly weapon is involved, your life as big a risk in that moment than any other phenomena you'd experience. It isn't always the case, but a hell of a percentage for it to be concerning and a notable consideration.

It really doesn't say much at all, nor does my experience living there. Robberies aren't nuanced to different areas, give me a break.

I know why you're dodging my very clear question, because you don't have an answer. I will ask you again, why would someone who intends to hurt you, give you a heads up before doing so? Why wouldn't they just do it?

Hint... It's because they are after PROPERTY not PEOPLE. It's a clear distinction.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

What if this incident has scarred Marner in which he demands a trade out of Toronto to a more safer city.

Somewhere like Detroit?

 

[CanadienShark]

Other countries have had Navy’s for years. And Air Forces. We’re pretty easy to get to really. Sure you’d have to get past our Navy but if you do you wouldn’t stand a chance if you did.


Sorry do you think it’s only rednecks who own guns? Kind of ignorant.

Uh no, you're not. Do you know anything about warfare? How do these countries resupply, for starters?

 

[Pavelski2112]

I think rednecks are basically the only ones who own guns under some deluded belief that they are ready to repel some sort of invasion, either from a foreign country or their own government coming to take their guns. It's silly on its face. I find it hilarious that you actually believe the reason there has not been an invasion of the continental US is that citizens own guns. Because some foreign invader will be able to overcome our actual military and all the physical obstacles in the way of a foreign invasion but they will definitely be stopped by randos with hunting rifles. Randos who have a hard enough time not shooting each other or falling drunk out of tree stands when trying to hunt deer.

The US government hasn't won a war in 75 years because they don't know how to defeat insurrectionary guerilla forces, aka a bunch of random guys with guns. The fact that the US exists at all is because a bunch of random guys with guns fought the largest empire in the world, who also didn't know how to fight insurrectionary guerilla forces.

Size =/= military ability

 

[Jerzey Devil]

Uh no, you're not. Do you know anything about warfare? How do these countries resupply, for starters?

What in the world are you on about? Russia, a near peer adversary can scarcely project power 100km past its border into Ukraine, and now you think they'll float their navy through the Baltic, English Channel, Atlantic Ocean and then fight through a Navy almost double their size with 5x as many career groups?

And that comparison is giving them the benefit of the Americans splitting their navy in two, while a similarly sized force fights the Chinese in the Pacific.

Russia has 1 CAG, China has 2. There are 11 in the US Navy. They're not really blue water navys with the capacity to maintain army groups via sea supply.

During WW2 the United States built 2,700 (30Million Tons) liberty ships for supply. No navy has that sort of logistic capacity now.

You're really not giving credit for how prohibitively expensive this proposition would be.

Show me you've never studied military history without saying you've never studied military history.

Normally I wouldn't bother with such a clearly off-topic response, but that was just so bad I had to.

Amphibious operations are notoriously difficult and get progressively more difficult the further from your secure resupply bases they are. Add on a continental opponent with a massive population and secure industrial base (the United States has been that for close to two centuries now), and the amphibious lift requirements, as well as the naval firepower needed to escort that lift, become astronomical - we're talking the need to transport literally millions of soldiers and millions of tons of equipment and supplies. The logistical requirements would dwarf the entire modern global supping industry.

You could not only eliminate every civilian firearm, but every civilian, police, and military firearm in the country and not reduce American security against foreign invasion by a sliver. The oceans alone are a nigh-insurmountable barrier, and are protected by naval and air power that are the equal of the entire rest of the world combined.

Yeah I’ll take the L on this one only because I guess I didn’t make it clear that I only meant in distance. I wasn’t trying to downplay the force of our navy or what it would take for an invasion.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

It really doesn't say much at all, nor does my experience living there. Robberies aren't nuanced to different areas, give me a break.

I know why you're dodging my very clear question, because you don't have an answer. I will ask you again, why would someone who intends to hurt you, give you a heads up before doing so? Why wouldn't they just do it?

I answered already. Power.

Moreover, I also already told you that slight agitation, can lead to violence. Even if its external(which is always plausible unless robbery happening in a vacuum).

You do realize the person is pointing a weapon at another person. Slightest mistake leads to death.