Reid Boucher making his NHL debut tonight!

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

all games are on tv and it's really cheap to go to the arena, the crowd here can be fun, everyone gets wasted.
the 1st year I saw Boucher I knew he was gonna be something special, never imagined he would get 60 goals in one season though. I've been saying it for a long time and I hope it comes true, he's gonna be our version of Kessel.

That's awesome.

How is he as a passer? How is he defensively?

Also where did he get most of those goals? Rush? Slot?

 

[JerryGigantic]

playing how many minutes per game? 10 mins with Cam Janssen on his wing? I'm not saying that Josefson is superlative offensively because he's not, but he may be more talented offensively than Travis Zajac at this point in time. Travis Zajac is plumbing the depths at this point in time while sharing time with Jagr.

You make the assertion that a player who is worse offensively, defensively, on faceoffs, is smaller, gets ridden off the puck easier and is not as accomplished at the cycle, does literally nothing better, rides the bench instead of centering the top line, would be the better option because he is "fleet of foot" and doesn't get to play with better players.

C'mon, man. That isn't even good trolling.

If you are indeed serious, I now understand your hockey fandom. It is because you have to wear a hockey helmet in real life. (And are perhaps strapped to a swing set while typing these posts.)

In football, every fans favorite player when they are losing is the back up quarterback.

But he is the back up for a reason.

In this case, though, it would be the back up - back up - back up - back up center.

A reasonable thought for Josefson is that he get the regular 4th line center job over Gionta or whomever, similar to John Madden when he was coming up. And allow him the experience to become the 3rd liner he projects to be.

But that ain't happening because Pete DeBoer is an ass.

But expecting more than that from JoJo is a fools errand.

Although Madden had better offensive instincts and scored more at other levels. And was superior defensively, as well.

So a poor, poor mans Madden. That is the best one can expect.

Or a much better Rod Pelley.

However one wants to look at it.

 

[MountainGoat]

That's awesome.

How is he as a passer? How is he defensively?

Also where did he get most of those goals? Rush? Slot?

I remember reading a scouting report on Boosh saying how he was one dimensional, bad along the boards and a terrible skater

he's not one dimensional at all, he has amazing hockey IQ, knows where the puck is going to go etc... he's everything you want offensively and plays with a lot of confidence.
I would say his goals came from all over the place, basically he knows how to get open and has the shot to snipe from anywhere.
Defensively he has a lot to learn but with this team I don't care about defense. We need to let him focus on offense and watch him turn into the elite goal scorer that I think he will become.

the only knock on him is his size and skating, he looks way bigger now and he's not a terrible skater, never was, he just skates funny.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Someone was talking over the summer about the need for Ted's to bulk up. And Boucher certainly looks to carry more weight on his frame then Ted's does.

And he also seems to play with more poise then Ted's, who plays at a pretty frenetic pace.

That was me. Of course it was met with ridiculous opposition. Take a look at Boucher's body compared Ted and tell me who looks like the NHL player? Boucher added 10 lbs of muscle this year. That is very important, idk why that was such a contested point. Boucher even finished some checks in his first game. It does not look like strength will be a limiting factor for him in the pros. The same cannot be said for Ted.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Boucher is a short dude but he looked thick as hell during the interviews yesterday.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Boucher is a short dude but he looked thick as hell during the interviews yesterday.

He has a perfect frame really. He's about 190 I believe they said. That's an NHL ready body at 5-11 and a solid bf%

 

[MountainGoat]

That was me. Of course it was met with ridiculous opposition. Take a look at Boucher's body compared Ted and tell me who looks like the NHL player? Boucher added 10 lbs of muscle this year. That is very important, idk why that was such a contested point. Boucher even finished some checks in his first game. It does not look like strength will be a limiting factor for him in the pros. The same cannot be said for Ted.

it's not even about size, it's about hockey IQ, Ted has none because he's a dumb hockey player

Reid has hockey IQ because he isn't dumb

Brunner is special, his dumbness is too damn high... just like my rent

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

it's not even about size, it's about hockey IQ, Ted has none because he's a dumb hockey player

Reid has hockey IQ because he isn't dumb

Brunner is special, his dumbness is too damn high... just like my rent

oh absolutely that's more important. But strength is pretty damn important too. Not many great players, even short guys, who aren't very strong.

 

[Tundra]

You make the assertion that a player who is worse offensively, defensively, on faceoffs, is smaller, gets ridden off the puck easier and is not as accomplished at the cycle, does literally nothing better, rides the bench instead of centering the top line, would be the better option because he is "fleet of foot" and doesn't get to play with better players.

C'mon, man. That isn't even good trolling.

If you are indeed serious, I now understand your hockey fandom. It is because you have to wear a hockey helmet in real life. (And are perhaps strapped to a swing set while typing these posts.)

In football, every fans favorite player when they are losing is the back up quarterback.

But he is the back up for a reason.

In this case, though, it would be the back up - back up - back up - back up center.

A reasonable thought for Josefson is that he get the regular 4th line center job over Gionta or whomever, similar to John Madden when he was coming up. And allow him the experience to become the 3rd liner he projects to be.

But that ain't happening because Pete DeBoer is an ass.

But expecting more than that from JoJo is a fools errand.

Although Madden had better offensive instincts and scored more at other levels. And was superior defensively, as well.

So a poor, poor mans Madden. That is the best one can expect.

Or a much better Rod Pelley.

However one wants to look at it.

For all Zajac's seemingly favorable attributes why can't he produce offense? All this hyperbole about cycling & body position isn't leading to anything tangible on the scoring sheet? I'm sure Josefson can compile a few secondary assists and create some points with his speed while Travis remains perplexed with something as simple as directing simple tap-ins from his teammates. It's not an illusion. Both Jacob Josefson and Travis Zajac are closer to being third line centers.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

it's not even about size, it's about hockey IQ, Ted has none because he's a dumb hockey player

Reid has hockey IQ because he isn't dumb

Brunner is special, his dumbness is too damn high... just like my rent

Obligatory

 

[Tundra]

it's not even about size, it's about hockey IQ, Ted has none because he's a dumb hockey player
Reid has hockey IQ because he isn't dumb

Brunner is special, his dumbness is too damn high... just like my rent

It's not even that. Tedenby is a free flowing player coming from the SEL and here the mantra is GET IT DEEP no matter what.

 

[MountainGoat]

oh absolutely that's more important. But strength is pretty damn important too. Not many great players, even short guys, who aren't very strong.

yea it's important but I think Ted is a lost cause, he just doesn't have the IQ

and I think with Josefson, he has some IQ and awareness but he doesn't have the tools for a decent offensive game

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

For all Zajac's seemingly favorable attributes why can't he produce offense? All this hyperbole about cycling & body position isn't leading to anything tangible on the scoring sheet? I'm sure Josefson can compile a few secondary assists and create some points with his speed while Travis remains perplexed with something as simple directing simple tap-ins from his teammates. It's not an illusion. Both Jacob Josefson and Travis Zajac are closer to being third line centers.

Before I waste my time, would you be at all convinced if I showed you advanced metrics that demonstrate that Travis Zajac contributes far more offensively than you think and consequentially far more offensively than Yayo?

 

[MountainGoat]

It's not even that. Tedenby is a free flowing player coming from the SEL and here the mantra is GET IT DEEP no matter what.

let me guess, fire the coach?

fact is you gotta be able to get it deep on any team in the nhl, it doesn't matter if you get a ton of shots from the outside like Brunner, you gotta go deep with it like Jagr

Teddy and Brunner can't get it deep because they don't know what they're doing

 

[Tundra]

let me guess, fire the coach?

fact is you gotta be able to get it deep on any team in the nhl, it doesn't matter if you get a ton of shots from the outside like Brunner, you gotta go deep with it like Jagr

Teddy and Brunner can't get it deep because they don't know what they're doing

Certain lines are suited for different play styles. You can't uniformly shackle certain players with a strict system. I think that's the main issue with the devils. They try to hide their defensive inadequacies with this system, that's no longer feasible without Zach as the featured cog. Zach was essentially the system with his elite puck pursuit.

 

[MountainGoat]

Certain lines are suited for different play styles. You can't uniformly shackle certain players with a strict system. I think that's the main issue with the devils. They try to hide their defensive inadequacies with this system, that's no longer feasible without Zach as the featured cog. Zach was essentially the system with his elite puck pursuit.

who's being shackled? you mean Teddy? Brunner? nah they just suck

 

[devilsblood]

yea it's important but I think Ted is a lost cause, he just doesn't have the IQ

and I think with Josefson, he has some IQ and awareness but he doesn't have the tools for a decent offensive game

If it was IQ alone, Ted's would still net some goals. One would expect some impressive individual efforts from him. I think the same goes for his linemates. Even with the 4th line I'd like to see him light somebody up one on one, or bury a chance here and there, but we don't.

I think JJ brings way more to the table, via size and defensive accumen. And I do think there is more offensive skill that he has yet to show. So I still like him a lot as a prospect. I do think Deboer is holding him back a bit, but given that he has literally produced zero offensively(and was very sketchy last season) I can't argue that much.

 

[aboriginal]

says hes most comfortable on left side. is told hes in the nhl and will play where they put him.

is a solid offensive player. u better learn how to be a grinder son.

should be put with top 6 players. gets bumped down a line. only a matter of time before sestito and carter/gio are his linemates. or better yet janssen.

i wonder what hurtls hertl had to go through with the sharks?

hey kid, ur on a line with thorton, play smart and have fun out there.

what i imagine boosher heard.

dont **** up or ur sitting with teddy and jake. dump and chase kid.

 

[Bleedred]

says hes most comfortable on left side. is told hes in the nhl and will play where they put him.

is a solid offensive player. u better learn how to be a grinder son.

should be put with top 6 players. gets bumped down a line. only a matter of time before sestito and carter/gio are his linemates. or better yet janssen.

i wonder what hurtls hertl had to go through with the sharks?

hey kid, ur on a line with thorton, play smart and have fun out there.

what i imagine boosher heard.

dont **** up or ur sitting with teddy and jake. dump and chase kid.

My thoughts exactly. I didn't really want him up here as long as Dumbeor was the coach. If he ****s up this one, he needs to GTFO.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

says hes most comfortable on left side. is told hes in the nhl and will play where they put him.

is a solid offensive player. u better learn how to be a grinder son.

should be put with top 6 players. gets bumped down a line. only a matter of time before sestito and carter/gio are his linemates. or better yet janssen.

i wonder what hurtls hertl had to go through with the sharks?

hey kid, ur on a line with thorton, play smart and have fun out there.

what i imagine boosher heard.

dont **** up or ur sitting with teddy and jake. dump and chase kid.

To be fair being up on a line with Elias and Henrique looks pretty silly. Henrique doesn't compliment Boucher. Elias does. I suppose you can line him up with Elias and Loktionov. Loktionov centered Taylor Hall. It's what he does best.

I have no problem with that Boucher-Loktionov-Ryder line. I'd love Elias-Loktionov-Boucher more but you know Pete loves to saddle Elias with garbage players so the old man can carry the line. He also wants to center Patty. Which I despise.

 

[Wingman77]

I'm not sure if it was more exciting seeing him play last night or having the area around where I was sitting quoting The Waterboy

 

[OmNomNom]

i'm glad the kid threw around his body well last night as well as did indeed, as to my suspicions, put on weight since sarnia, as someone confirmed. he might be small, but we all know that you don't have to be a super tall guy to finish checks well (little gio)

opinions for how he was along the boards? i couldn't really see too much, the only thing i did notice was smart positioning to keep pucks in the zone during battles

 

[AfroThunder396]

Honestly, I really didn't notice him when he didn't have the puck. When he did have the puck, I liked the way he carried it. Lots of confidence in his stride. He went straight forward and attacked the defensemen instead of making a move to the outside, which we need more of.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Gotta keep the boucher-lokti-ryder line going. I can feel that Lokti is gonna explode soon and rack up the points. A few more multi-point games and he's outscoring Zajac and Henrique...man would that be sad.

 

[SeidoN]

Gotta keep the boucher-lokti-ryder line going. I can feel that Lokti is gonna explode soon and rack up the points. A few more multi-point games and he's outscoring Zajac and Henrique...man would that be sad.

50 point season brah!