Friedman: Red Wings could potentially move Athanasiou?

[ole ole]

Byron or Lehky for AA

Both for AA and i would be fine with it.

 

[ole ole]

To Edmonton:
Byron (via MTL)
Wood (via NJD)
AA (via DET)

To NJD:
Whatever makes it work

To MTL:
Whatever makes it work---- Puljujarvi

To DET:
Whatever makes it work

Edmonton can then score on every penalty kill by creating a 4-0 breakaway with the fastest PK the world has ever seen. Byron-Wood-AA-McDavid. Boom. 12 Stanley Cups in a row.

But in all seriousness... what is Detroit really looking for? Who (for example - even if unavailable) would be an acceptable realistic return?

I just put in to the Habs, now add in to the Wings and the Devils

 

[robertmac43]

He interests me, but the attitude seems to be hit or miss on the guy.

 

[deca guard]

He interests me, but the attitude seems to be hit or miss on the guy.

hes the type player imo that needs the right coach , center , dmen . in the right enviroment he could become a star . and if im a gm with that condition ide easily trade a late 1st for aa because i want those quick strike wheels on a guy thats also strong enough to bull through dmen . put him on sids wing with letang on the unit and sully coaching and look out

 

[Dotter]

If Yzerman is trading him, then he is trading him to significantly better the future of the team. Yzerman isn't going to shop him because of some random spontaneous knee jerk reaction, or because he thinks he needs to trade him just for the sake of childish funsies.

From a team need standpoint,

Wings need: young top 2 centers, a young top pairing dman, maybe a #1 future star goalie (like a Vasilevskiy), or some really worthy draft picks.

Wings do not need: bottom 4 dmen, wingers, bottom 2 centers, or any aging players no matter the position/skill level.

Basically the ideal trade partner is a team wanting to improve their team speed and scoring now and are willing to mortgage top picks/prospects/young players from their future.

As for a specific trade proposal to add to the discussion, I don't know what teams out there are shopping, what their assets are and what they're willing to pay. It does seem Steve Yzerman is good at trading and I have no doubts he will get a very nice return for Athanasiou if he is, in fact, listening to trade offers for him.

Keep in mind, Jonathan Drouin only had career best 21 goals and was a -13 (albeit younger) when Steve Yzerman traded him for Mikhail Sergachev.

 

[bleedgreen]

So you’re expecting Sergachev?

Good luck with that.

 

[Dotter]

So you’re expecting Sergachev?

Good luck with that.

No. I have no expectations that Tampa Bay Lightning is trading Mikhail Sergachev.

 

[archimet]

I'm still wondering why Edmonton would trade RNH for AA
RNH is a 50 point centre and AA is a 30 point winger
There is nothing the Red Wings could add to make the Oilers better now

No doubt RNH is better than AA and there's nothing 'reasonable' the Wings could add to make Edmonton better this year. But really? AA is a 3o-point player based on 12 game slump? Over his career he's a 42-point player. Last year he had 54 points. He could be a steady 50+ point winger for several more years. His speed is a constant threat and he has good hands.

 

[rhef3]

When/If AA get's traded it will be for someone younger with a good ceiling , someone under 25

 

[Homesick]

No doubt RNH is better than AA and there's nothing 'reasonable' the Wings could add to make Edmonton better this year. But really? AA is a 3o-point player based on 12 game slump? Over his career he's a 42-point player. Last year he had 54 points. He could be a steady 50+ point winger for several more years. His speed is a constant threat and he has good hands.

I prefer actual production to win hockey games over mythical math

 

[Mike Dukarm]

Detroit still lacks a true #2C, Doubt Yzerman would deal AA to Edmonton without RNH coming back in the deal. Pretty sure if it were Holland making the deal that's what he'd want in return.

Pretty sur Detroit would want young players, prospect or draft pick or they will keep AA.

And why Edmonton give Nugent-H for a players less value?

 

[WingsMJN2965]

He interests me, but the attitude seems to be hit or miss on the guy.

Ehh, I think the attitude problem has mostly gone away.

Larkin/AA/Bert/Mantha have gotten pretty close over the last few years. Seems that was the same time AA started to drop the attitude.

 

[Bankerguy]

Dipieteo + Madden

young goalie prospect with starting potential
young center prospect trending well for his draft position, definitely top6 C potential

might be overpayment for Athanasiou but its an idea

 

[SEALBound]

I could see something like Bjugstad+Jarry/CDS for AA+some equalizer.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I could see something like Bjugstad+Jarry/CDS for AA+some equalizer.

Like i stated before, Detroit already has a Nick Bjugstad in their system named Michael Rasmussen. And why would Detroit want Jarry? When we already have tons of goalie prospects within our system. This makes absolutely no sense for us.

 

[LeapOnOver]

No reason to pay anyone to take a salary we don't need to get rid of.

Fair enough...I wasn't really sure what was going on in capland in Detroit. I imagined it wasn't a pressing issue, but wasn't sure if maybe there were some guys to target as UFA coming up. I guess the next UFA class is weak anyway.

 

[NickH8]

Dipieteo + Madden

young goalie prospect with starting potential
young center prospect trending well for his draft position, definitely top6 C potential

might be overpayment for Athanasiou but its an idea

I'd definitely consider that.

 

[SEALBound]

Like i stated before, Detroit already has a Nick Bjugstad in their system named Michael Rasmussen. And why would Detroit want Jarry? When we already have tons of goalie prospects within our system. This makes absolutely no sense for us.

If Yzerman is trading him, then he is trading him to significantly better the future of the team. Yzerman isn't going to shop him because of some random spontaneous knee jerk reaction, or because he thinks he needs to trade him just for the sake of childish funsies.
From a team need standpoint,
Wings need: young top 2 centers, a young top pairing dman, maybe a #1 future star goalie (like a Vasilevskiy), or some really worthy draft picks.
Wings do not need: bottom 4 dmen, wingers, bottom 2 centers, or any aging players no matter the position/skill level.
Basically the ideal trade partner is a team wanting to improve their team speed and scoring now and are willing to mortgage top picks/prospects/young players from their future.
As for a specific trade proposal to add to the discussion, I don't know what teams out there are shopping, what their assets are and what they're willing to pay. It does seem Steve Yzerman is good at trading and I have no doubts he will get a very nice return for Athanasiou if he is, in fact, listening to trade offers for him.
Keep in mind, Jonathan Drouin only had career best 21 goals and was a -13 (albeit younger) when Steve Yzerman traded him for Mikhail Sergachev.

 

[Eggtimer]

Boqvist plus ?. from Devils for AA?

 

[odishabs]

As we've seen in the past fan bases tend to overrate their players. It will be a change of scenery swap or a combination of picks. Wings fans claiming guys like Pulujarvi, Lehkonen, Fiala isn't fair are probably expecting too much. A couple 2nds could probably get it done.

AA for Lehkonen and a 2nd would be more than fair value for a team valuing young assets

 

[Tetsuo]

Dipieteo + Madden

young goalie prospect with starting potential
young center prospect trending well for his draft position, definitely top6 C potential

might be overpayment for Athanasiou but its an idea

This is the right idea. If not picks, then a collection of interesting prospects for AA. Or one very good prospect.

I've long thought that AA would be an interesting piece in Vancouver as they have multiple players who could set him up for breakaways. Unlike the Wings. Just a thought.

Edit:

As we've seen in the past fan bases tend to overrate their players. It will be a change of scenery swap or a combination of picks. Wings fans claiming guys like Pulujarvi, Lehkonen, Fiala isn't fair are probably expecting too much. A couple 2nds could probably get it done.

AA for Lehkonen and a 2nd would be more than fair value for a team valuing young assets

The Wings are a bad team, but not because they lack for bottom 6 players. The problem is that we have very little in the way of skill and have made moves to sign depth players. Now our entire forward core is basically interesting 3rd and 4th line players. It has gotten so bad we have Stone-Hands Helm on our first line!

The sad part is that Lehkonen would probably see time on our second line if we trade AA for him. That does not mean that Wings should trade for him.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

As we've seen in the past fan bases tend to overrate their players. It will be a change of scenery swap or a combination of picks. Wings fans claiming guys like Pulujarvi, Lehkonen, Fiala isn't fair are probably expecting too much. A couple 2nds could probably get it done.

AA for Lehkonen and a 2nd would be more than fair value for a team valuing young assets

Detroit has no use for Lehkonen, He's a 3rd line PK specialist. We've enough of them in our system now.

 

[LarKing]

As we've seen in the past fan bases tend to overrate their players. It will be a change of scenery swap or a combination of picks. Wings fans claiming guys like Pulujarvi, Lehkonen, Fiala isn't fair are probably expecting too much. A couple 2nds could probably get it done.

AA for Lehkonen and a 2nd would be more than fair value for a team valuing young assets

We’re expecting too much because we don’t think some dime a dozen bottom six players are enough for a guy who just scored 30 last year playing with garbage teammates on an awful team?

You’re not getting AA for that trash offer.

 

[Dbrownss]

If Yzerman is trading him, then he is trading him to significantly better the future of the team. Yzerman isn't going to shop him because of some random spontaneous knee jerk reaction, or because he thinks he needs to trade him just for the sake of childish funsies.

From a team need standpoint,

Wings need: young top 2 centers, a young top pairing dman, maybe a #1 future star goalie (like a Vasilevskiy), or some really worthy draft picks.

Wings do not need: bottom 4 dmen, wingers, bottom 2 centers, or any aging players no matter the position/skill level.

Basically the ideal trade partner is a team wanting to improve their team speed and scoring now and are willing to mortgage top picks/prospects/young players from their future.

As for a specific trade proposal to add to the discussion, I don't know what teams out there are shopping, what their assets are and what they're willing to pay. It does seem Steve Yzerman is good at trading and I have no doubts he will get a very nice return for Athanasiou if he is, in fact, listening to trade offers for him.

Keep in mind, Jonathan Drouin only had career best 21 goals and was a -13 (albeit younger) when Steve Yzerman traded him for Mikhail Sergachev.

So a young top 6 center, you g top pairing dman or a stud goalie prospect. Ok then, That's unrealistic

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

As we've seen in the past fan bases tend to overrate their players. It will be a change of scenery swap or a combination of picks. Wings fans claiming guys like Pulujarvi, Lehkonen, Fiala isn't fair are probably expecting too much. A couple 2nds could probably get it done.

AA for Lehkonen and a 2nd would be more than fair value for a team valuing young assets

For an RAG controlled 30 goal scorer?

I mean I think he goes for way less than Wings fans want, but he isn't going for a song either. Most of these offers are bad, they aren't forced to move him absent something legitimate in the offer. Two seconds isn't something Yzerman should consider for a return.