Salary Cap: Red Wings 2024-25 - next season cap discussion

[SantosHalper]

There are quite many RHDs at UFA market...

T.Myers
Barrie
Tanev
Zaitsev
Klingberg
Pesce
Dumba
Montour
E.Johnson
Matt Roy
DeMelo
Schultz
Lyubuskin
Walker
Carrier
Miller
DeAngelo
Hakanpää
P.Myers
Shattenkirk

Montour and Pesce, are the only interesting names. And i believe Florida keeps Montour, making Ekblad available for trade. DeBrincat-style trade, NTC, Windsor-native, Wings fan, wears 5 because of Lidström. Another local boy who wants to come home and age matches our timeline. Ekblad would be "defense's Larkin", age wise.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

5 year deals for Mo and Ray should trigger a firing...

What.

 

[DoMakc]

What.

I think he meant firing squad

 

[norrisnick]

What.

Let's march our two most important (currently) pieces of the future directly to unrestricted free agency. Not to mention at five years you won't really garner any AAV savings of a bridge. It's easily the worst option available except for maybe strong arming then into one year deals which would double down on a bad decision on term with a bunch of hard feelings involved.

You don't f*** around with the future core to pinch pennies now. We have a ton of pennies to go around the next couple years. It's 3-4-5+ years out when the next wave of key ELCs expire that we need to be careful financially. 8 years skips that nonsense. Unless everything implodes and then it doesn't matter anyway.

 

[norrisnick]

A tldr

If 8 yr deals for Mo and Ray turn out bad, nothing else we do matters.

They are too integral to try and hedge the bet in any way.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Montour and Pesce, are the only interesting names. And i believe Florida keeps Montour, making Ekblad available for trade. DeBrincat-style trade, NTC, Windsor-native, Wings fan, wears 5 because of Lidström. Another local boy who wants to come home and age matches our timeline. Ekblad would be "defense's Larkin", age wise.

If we can convince them, sign Guentzel and Pesce. Find a cheap 6/7 RD.

Re-sign Kane, Sprong, Veleno, Berggren (and keep him up!)

Dump Fabbri, Maatta, Holl, don't re-sign Fischer or Perron

 

[letsgowings9999]

If we can convince them, sign Guentzel and Pesce. Find a cheap 6/7 RD.

Re-sign Kane, Sprong, Veleno, Berggren (and keep him up!)

Dump Fabbri, Maatta, Holl, don't re-sign Fischer or Perron

No chance we sign seider raymond x8,resign sprong kane and then go sign both guentzel pesce longterm

 

[SirloinUB]

Matt Roy or Pesce would be good additions. Yzerman would need to find away to unload a D or two though.

Holl would probably have to be a buyout but I think he could get at least some value for Maatta. I’d bring back Ghost if yzerman could unload Maatta and Holl.

Walman - Seider
Edvinsson - Pesce/Roy
Chairot - Petry
Maatta/Holl

 

[norrisnick]

Matt Roy or Pesce would be good additions. Yzerman would need to find away to unload a D or two though.

Holl would probably have to be a buyout but I think he could get at least some value for Maatta. I’d bring back Ghost if yzerman could unload Maatta and Holl.

Walman - Seider
Edvinsson - Pesce/Roy
Chairot - Petry
Maatta/Holl

The trick will be to land a better RD on the market and flip the less desirable one to a team that needs a RD. And I'd much rather see if someone wants Holl for $2.5M and have $1M dead for 2 years than for 4 or take a change of scenery contract back. Hell, maybe even Carolina. If they can't afford Pesce at $6M+ maybe they settle for Holl at $2-3M.

Karmanos doesn't own them anymore.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

No chance we sign seider raymond x8,resign sprong kane and then go sign both guentzel pesce longterm

I'm not so sure Raymond (or Seider) deserve a 8 year deal just yet

 

[Gniwder]

A tldr

If 8 yr deals for Mo and Ray turn out bad, nothing else we do matters.

They are too integral to try and hedge the bet in any way.

You know, there is a middle ground between greatness and shitiness. Ray is a team worst -19, and Seider doesn't look like he's progressing at all. Granted that Mo started out with a high level of play, you'd still think he'd get better. Maybe it's just a matter of getting a better partner.

A bridge deal for either isn't the end of the world. There are other prospects that could eventually wind up commanding more money.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Rays -19 is some voodoo cause he is our best winger.

 

[Gniwder]

Rays -19 is some voodoo cause he is our best winger.

To be fair, most of it happened while Larkin was injured (including the December injury). Just goes to show how bad this team sucks when he's out.

Ray's game log:

Lucas Raymond 2023-24 Game Log | Hockey-Reference.com

Gamelogs for Lucas Raymond for 2023-24

www.hockey-reference.com

 

[letsgowings9999]

I'm not so sure Raymond (or Seider) deserve a 8 year deal just yet

You risk them costing more on the cap longer you wait. I'd 100% do seider ... raymond I'm iffy on cause wed have to resign both after from 30-38 likely which might cause issues

Might have no choice

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

You risk them costing more on the cap longer you wait. I'd 100% do seider ... raymond I'm iffy on cause wed have to resign both after from 30-38 likely which might cause issues

Might have no choice

Yip...

But they'd have to prove they're worth it first...if they do...good for you and them...if they dont..good for you once agsin and only bad for them...

It's much easier to stomach paying for achieved success then for potential

 

[letsgowings9999]

Yip...

But they'd have to prove they're worth it first...if they do...good for you and them...if they dont..good for you once agsin and only bad for them...

It's much easier to stomach paying for achieved success then for potential

I Think they're both worth it the problem for me is the 2nd 8 year contract. I'd feel more at ease if they signed the 8 year deal at 25 years old

We just have to get a good cap hit on both guys

 

[Henkka]

The 8-year dels did give a big advantage on years 2019-2024, when the cap did pretty much stand pat.

But Future estimations for cap rise are huge. The short bridge or medium long-term + later extensions will cost more on the 3rd contract, but the cap will be rising all the time like mad. You pay more, but there's always cap space.

These corona losses for NHL economy are finally behind and the future will be different. Bridge deals will become the steals again and 8-years after that will be reansonable contracts. Don't have to worry for overpaying.

That cap growth change is some mathematics which many won't understand.

 

[EXTRAS]

I'd prefer 3 years @ 5.7m (closer to dahlins 2nd contract) and then give seider a bigger 8 year contract. You may have to pay a bit more on the 8 year deal if seider explodes a bit more offensively and the cap goes up, but it means you get him for a guaranteed 11 more years vs just a guaranteed 8 more years. Things get trickier once guys are UFAs.

 

[RedHawkDown]

If Seider and Raymond are not worth their 8M contracts in a 8 year deal, it doesn’t matter what else we do - the rebuild has to start over. Especially Seider. So it really doesn’t matter…you have to sign them to 8 years to try and lock in some discount years in the second half of the contract…and if they don’t live up to, we’re f***ed anyways, so it doesn’t matter.

 

[Inspiration]

Rays -19 is some voodoo cause he is our best winger.

He has the worst 5v5 on-ice save % of any Detroit regular skater by a fair amount. So likely just unlucky relative to others.

 

[Gniwder]

He has the worst 5v5 on-ice save % of any Detroit regular skater by a fair amount. So likely just unlucky relative to others.

Or higher QoC. He is playing against the opponent's top line, and he racked up the minuses while DBoss was injured. So basically means the top line sucks without DBoss, which is rather evident at this point. The whole freakin team sucks without DBoss.

 

[lilidk]

I'm not so sure Raymond (or Seider) deserve a 8 year deal just yet

You give them now, so later don't pay too much

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

You give them now, so later don't pay too much

Yes that's true

What if they dont live up to it?

Worst case in scenario #2 is you pay them more later only after they have proven to have earned it by producing and winning more.. that's not a terrible thing

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

W/O somehow dumping Maatta and Fabbri, moving Husso as part of a goalie pckg upgrade and buying out Holl, I do not see how we will realistically improve in nets, the blueline and upfront when factoring in the significant raises coming to Ray and Mo...

We need a legit #1 goalie to hold down the fort until Cossa is ready

We need another legit 7 plus million dman as well as SE in the lineup

We need a reliable higher end #2 center plus Danielson in the lineup

SY has his work cut out

 

[schuelma24]

W/O somehow dumping Maatta and Fabbri, moving Husso as part of a goalie pckg upgrade and buying out Holl, I do not see how we will realistically improve in nets, the blueline and upfront when factoring in the significant raises coming to Ray and Mo...

We need a legit #1 goalie to hold down the fort until Cossa is ready

We need another legit 7 plus million dman as well as SE in the lineup

We need a reliable higher end #2 center plus Danielson in the lineup

SY has his work cut out

I agree. I'd prioritize goaltending then D if there's any room. Don't see room to add another C given what we have invested in Copp and Compher.