Salary Cap: Red Wings 2016-17 Cap discussion

[Ingvar]

A guy who wants to be an NHL starter, not someone in their prime riding the bench.

There is a nuance. Fleury has a partial NMC so he would have to be protected in expansion draft. That means Murray would be exposed and he would be taken for sure because there is no-one better on Pens. Pittsburgh would be better off trading Murray then losing him for nothing. I'd gamble on it if I was Fleury.

 

[J15]

There is a nuance. Fleury has a partial NMC so he would have to be protected in expansion draft. That means Murray would be exposed and he would be taken for sure because there is no-one better on Pens. Pittsburgh would be better off trading Murray then losing him for nothing. I'd gamble on it if I was Fleury.

If I'm not mistaken doesn't Fleury only have a partial NMC? Meaning he could submit a list of teams he didn't want to be traded to. So it's not impossible that he gets traded. Regardless, with Fleury's name out there Jimmy's value goes down the drain.

 

[Ingvar]

If I'm not mistaken doesn't Fleury only have a partial NMC? Meaning he could submit a list of teams he didn't want to be traded to. So it's not impossible that he gets traded. Regardless, with Fleury's name out there Jimmy's value goes down the drain.

He can block his trade to 10 teams. Do a mental experiment: take 30 NHL teams, cross out those that don't need Fleury, then cross out 10 worst teams. How much is left? I believe it's Dallas or bust for Pens.

I believe Howard's in the business of swapping terrible contracts and doesn't compete with Fleury on the market

 

[Henkka]

There is a nuance. Fleury has a partial NMC so he would have to be protected in expansion draft. That means Murray would be exposed and he would be taken for sure because there is no-one better on Pens. Pittsburgh would be better off trading Murray then losing him for nothing. I'd gamble on it if I was Fleury.

Only Full NMCs have to be protected at expansion draft. Partial NMCs won't have to.

 

[chances14]

if a player waives his NMC does he still have to be protected?

 

[Filppula]

Quite impressive that such a **** roster can produce that cap hit.

I don't see any feasible way to make that team a serious Cup competitor, sell off and rebuild.

My thoughts too.

Pretty much no A graders remain (With Z and Kronwall's decline) and yet we're right up against the cap. Credit to Holland, that's a mighty fine effort really.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

if a player waives his NMC does he still have to be protected?

Nope.

 

[Ingvar]

Only Full NMCs have to be protected at expansion draft. Partial NMCs won't have to.

That's not exactly what was said in this article:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-teams-receiving-information-potential-expansion-draft/
Note that Fleury is specifically used as example there.

Actually, after trying to get details about it, I'm not even sure that partial NMCs exist.

 

[chances14]

since players can waive their NMC's for the expansion draft, i don't think the NMC will be as big of a deal that some are making it out to be

 

[FissionFire]

Partial NMCs don't exist. When someone refers to it what is actually being said is the player has a NMC for part of the contract but not the entire time. So basically it's a NMC until a set season when it transfers into either a NTC in some form or no protection at all. This is important to note since any player on a contract like this will need to be protected if the NMC portion of the contract is still in effect.

 

[13Wings40]

Any news on Howard ?
i can see him going to Buf or Cal for draft picks.
Sign Al Montoya or Anders Lindback as a backup for 1-2 mil ?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Any news on Howard ?
i can see him going to Buf or Cal for draft picks.
Sign Al Montoya or Anders Lindback as a backup for 1-2 mil ?

Holland is saying that he's probably going to hold onto Howard for another season, Cal is looking at either MAF or Bishop and with Lehner in the fold i doubt Buffalo has any interest in Howard. As for Buffalo if we did make a deal with them the only way it makes perfect sense for both would be a Howard for Moulson swap. Howard making $5.3M for 3 more years and Moulson making $5M for 3 more years kind of evens it out.

 

[Reddwit]

Holland is saying that he's probably going to hold onto Howard for another season, Cal is looking at either MAF or Bishop and with Lehner in the fold i doubt Buffalo has any interest in Howard. As for Buffalo if we did make a deal with them the only way it makes perfect sense for both would be a Howard for Moulson swap. Howard making $5.3M for 3 more years and Moulson making $5M for 3 more years kind of evens it out.

I'd much rather have a 1B making ~$5M than a forward going the way of Dan Cleary for $5M.

 

[Flowah]

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/teams-asking-red-wings-svechnikov-athanasiou/

early demands have focused on 2015 first-round pick Evgeny Svechnikov and Andreas Athanasiou, whose speed and ability to create something out of nothing repeatedly was demonstrated down the stretch this past season.”

These other teams need to calm themselves down.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I'd much rather have a 1B making ~$5M than a forward going the way of Dan Cleary for $5M.

Yeah i agree there has to be a reason why Sabre GM Tim Murray has be trying to move Moulson. Rather just keep Howard for another season or so.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/teams-asking-red-wings-svechnikov-athanasiou/



These other teams need to calm themselves down.

Really because those type of deals to move Datsyuk, Just isn't going to happen.

 

[Flowah]

Really because those type of deals to move Datsyuk, Just isn't going to happen.

wat?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

wat?

Meaning that Holland isn't going to move Mantha, Athanasiou or Svechnikov just to move Datsyuk's contract. Isn't going to happen.

 

[Claypool]

Meaning that Holland isn't going to move Mantha, Athanasiou or Svechnikov just to move Datsyuk's contract. Isn't going to happen.

He's stated such multiple times. I don't see why his thought process has changed in the last seven days. He's certainly not going to move those players without knowing what Stamkos decides to do.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

He's stated such multiple times. I don't see why his thought process has changed in the last seven days. He's certainly not going to move those players without knowing what Stamkos decides to do.

Exactly and we wont know what Stamkos decides to do at least until July 1st once the interview process is over and he knows what teams are offering him like Toronto, Detroit, Buffalo the Rangers or Islanders. So i doubt that Datsyuk's contract gets moved any time soon if at all.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

Exactly and we wont know what Stamkos decides to do at least until July 1st once the interview process is over and he knows what teams are offering him like Toronto, Detroit, Buffalo the Rangers or Islanders. So i doubt that Datsyuk's contract gets moved any time soon if at all.

If i'm a team that Detroit is targeting to unload Datsyuk's contract and see they are talking to Stamkos during the interview period, i don't budge one bit from my initial asking price.

You either don't get 7.5 million in cap space to get you to the floor or you get a quality asset and 7.5 million in dead cap space to get you to the floor. That's a gamble well worth making.

The closer you get to July 1st, the more pressure it puts on Detroit.

 

[Frk It]

Cap officially set at 73 million.

http://www.nhlpa.com/news/nhl-nhlpa-announce-team-payroll-range-for-2016-17

 

[Frk It]

 

[Flowah]

So which of those 3 teams buckles first and takes our offer? That's what I like about having 3 possibilities. Now they have to decide how greedy they want to be. Too much greed and you could wind up getting nothing at all whereas if you are less greedy you could get a free early-ish round pick out of it for nothing.

 

[mindfly]

So which of those 3 teams buckles first and takes our offer? That's what I like about having 3 possibilities. Now they have to decide how greedy they want to be. Too much greed and you could wind up getting nothing at all whereas if you are less greedy you could get a free early-ish round pick out of it for nothing.

Thing is, The wings do this for stamkos (or the other decent FAs that are available), How much patience does he have if he tests the market... these teams don't have to reach the cap floor until september if im not mistaken.. I doubt holland can wait that long either