Waffle Fries
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Post-Game Talk: Red Wings - 14 Penguins - 64
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What an embarrassing game.
Crosby played well. Starting to look more consistent out there. Set up a bunch if nice chances
Crosby played well. Starting to look more consistent out there. Set up a bunch if nice chances
- 5 pages full of minuses for Sutter.
-Discipline.
+Perron/Sid/Hornqvist
Extra + for Hornqvist
-Hornqvist getting hurt
+Comeau returned, and player pretty good.
+Spaling
-Discipline.
+Perron/Sid/Hornqvist
Extra + for Hornqvist
-Hornqvist getting hurt
+Comeau returned, and player pretty good.
+Spaling
gordie
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the time to really fix this team was like three years ago. It's too late to fix this team imo. Even if the organization suddenly woke up tomorrow, recognized the error of their ways, and made all the necessary changes (new management, new pro and amateur scouting, new emphasis on merit over familiarity, new focus on maximizing assets and building through the draft, etc)... well, it would take about 3-4 years until they really would reap the benefits of such moves.
Sid and geno are already slowing down, the youngsters that should be about to take on prime time roles should have been drafted years ago (as we see occurring with the red wings) or not traded away shortsightedly (ie despres-- now ready to take a top four role and you trade him???), they don't have the assets or picks to get the help that is now needed, and worst of all this organization has yet to acknowledge their cronyism and overall organizational culture is a problem. Hell, the same stupid amateur and pro scouting staff is in place, and the same stupid management structure is largely in place.
The penguins needed fundamental and drastic changes years ago. by now, even if the penguins made every right move they wouldn't be a real contender for another 2-3 years, right when crosby and malkin definitively are exiting their primes.
right around the flyers series this organization was a crossroads. they could have made the difficult and necessary changes and potentially afforded sid and geno the real opportunity to carry this team to 2-3 cups. but instead, they chose the convenient way out, practically ensuring that this was just a team that got lucky enough to win a single cup.
Sid and geno are already slowing down, the youngsters that should be about to take on prime time roles should have been drafted years ago (as we see occurring with the red wings) or not traded away shortsightedly (ie despres-- now ready to take a top four role and you trade him???), they don't have the assets or picks to get the help that is now needed, and worst of all this organization has yet to acknowledge their cronyism and overall organizational culture is a problem. Hell, the same stupid amateur and pro scouting staff is in place, and the same stupid management structure is largely in place.
The penguins needed fundamental and drastic changes years ago. by now, even if the penguins made every right move they wouldn't be a real contender for another 2-3 years, right when crosby and malkin definitively are exiting their primes.
right around the flyers series this organization was a crossroads. they could have made the difficult and necessary changes and potentially afforded sid and geno the real opportunity to carry this team to 2-3 cups. but instead, they chose the convenient way out, practically ensuring that this was just a team that got lucky enough to win a single cup.
Depending on the injury situation, it may be impossible to make an example of someone unfortunately.
gordie
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I'm sure he would like to rid this team of the Adams, Scuderi, Kunitz types but you go with what you have. I see Johnston (if he survives?) getting rid of all the veterans and pushing the organization in a youth movement direction.
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+ Hornqvist
+ Sid
The first line was great today. They were creating every shift.
- Kunitz
- Sutter
- Lovejoy
- Hornqvist's injury
- Letang getting kicked out for hurting the refs feelings
+ Sid
The first line was great today. They were creating every shift.
- Kunitz
- Sutter
- Lovejoy
- Hornqvist's injury
- Letang getting kicked out for hurting the refs feelings
WayneSid9987
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2 GA at minimum for ref's feelings being hurt.
Tough to win when you have that and a 1 line team.
Tough to win when you have that and a 1 line team.
The reffing was garbage, but the worst is how much Detroit gets away with interference all over the ice. It's so blatant, and they never get called for it.
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Also lost our best D-Man for half the game.
Really just a forgettable game. Pray Geno and Horny are nothing serious and move on.
Really just a forgettable game. Pray Geno and Horny are nothing serious and move on.
The usual minuses that are a microcosm of the issues wrong with this team;
- Sutter: Awful game by an awful player.
- Lovejoy/Scuds: Did everything in their power to make sure the Wings could do whatever they wanted with the puck, and could go wherever they wanted around the net and in the corners.
- Kunitz: The guy's an absolute disaster. Pure dumpster fire of a player, and has been for several seasons. He and Sutter need to go this summer if we want any hope of being a legit contender moving forward. Not only are both players terrible, they actively make their linemates worse.
- Johnston/Tocchet: The team was, once again, not ready to play today. Undisciplined, disinterested at times, and the power play was abysmal as usual.
- Downie: Not all of the PIM he got were entirely his fault, but when you know you have a target on your back you need to be that much more disciplined when it comes to retaliations and barking at refs. I think he's an effective bottom six guy when he's playing hockey and he's not doing dumb ****, but he strays too close to the line for someone who is going to be penalized based on name alone. He should be allowed to walk this season.
+ Hornqvist: Never quits. Ever.
+ Sid's line as a whole
- Sutter: Awful game by an awful player.
- Lovejoy/Scuds: Did everything in their power to make sure the Wings could do whatever they wanted with the puck, and could go wherever they wanted around the net and in the corners.
- Kunitz: The guy's an absolute disaster. Pure dumpster fire of a player, and has been for several seasons. He and Sutter need to go this summer if we want any hope of being a legit contender moving forward. Not only are both players terrible, they actively make their linemates worse.
- Johnston/Tocchet: The team was, once again, not ready to play today. Undisciplined, disinterested at times, and the power play was abysmal as usual.
- Downie: Not all of the PIM he got were entirely his fault, but when you know you have a target on your back you need to be that much more disciplined when it comes to retaliations and barking at refs. I think he's an effective bottom six guy when he's playing hockey and he's not doing dumb ****, but he strays too close to the line for someone who is going to be penalized based on name alone. He should be allowed to walk this season.
+ Hornqvist: Never quits. Ever.
+ Sid's line as a whole
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- well that happened
- sloppy and undisciplined.
- sutter. he wasn't just bad today... he was stupid
+ crosby was actually pretty good.
won't blame the refs (because the pens screwed themselves) but they were really calling things in favour of detroit. bizarre. so many questionable misconduct calls against the pens. I don't have a problem with closely called games... just with consistency for both sides.
really hope hornqvist is okay.
- sloppy and undisciplined.
- sutter. he wasn't just bad today... he was stupid
+ crosby was actually pretty good.
won't blame the refs (because the pens screwed themselves) but they were really calling things in favour of detroit. bizarre. so many questionable misconduct calls against the pens. I don't have a problem with closely called games... just with consistency for both sides.
really hope hornqvist is okay.
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Doesn't make sense for him to let Despres or Bortuzzo go then. I don't like him one bit.
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The Bortuzzo trade was actually really good. It will get overshadowed by how awful the Despres one was, but Cole has been playing very strong hockey for us.
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