Proposal: Realistic Jack Eichel Proposals

[BritainStix]

Cap space for what? Who the f*** is going to sign as a FA here.

 

[hmc1987]

Cap space for what? Who the f*** is going to sign as a FA here.

Lots of teams are TRYING to make cap space as we approach the expansion draft...can result in a good player (i.e Nate Schmidt, Ryan Murray, etc) being had for nothing.

There's talks Ekholm AND Ellis are available. Seth Jones might be available in the offseason...theres lots of reasons to make cap space

 

[BritainStix]

To acquire any of those players we need to trade players.....

 

[BrindamoursNose]

If he had JVR's contract, I would be completely fine with Voracek on the team. But we're going to need cap space and he really is the logical choice to make room.

I agree that he still has trade value though, but I doubt you'd get a lot for him.

I'm not arguing trading Jake could be a reasonable move. I'm declaring that it's insane to think we'd have to pay someone and get nothing back in order to have him go elsewhere.

That's the kind of claim that shows how far away from reality people can get on HFBoards when they play armchair GM. I'm glad you're not making that claim.

 

[Rebels57]

I'm not arguing trading Jake could be a reasonable move. I'm declaring that it's insane to think we'd have to pay someone and get nothing back in order to have him go elsewhere.

That's the kind of claim that shows how far away from reality people can get on HFBoards when they play armchair GM. I'm glad you're not making that claim.

I don't think your perception of Jake's value leaguewide is close to reality either.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I don't think your perception of Jake's value leaguewide is close to reality either.

I'm saying his value isn't a negative in a leaguewide trade proposal.

I don't think I'm asking very much.

 

[Lindberg]

Seems like it

no kidding. I at least can respect people when they stick by their opinion but flip flopping back and forth isn't acceptable. It's all water under the bridge at this point but they should of blew the core up years ago besides Giroux.

What's this nonsense that Voracek doesn't have trade value? I mean it's not out of the question to say that he'll be a 60-70 point player the rest of his contract. Sure it's a bit pricey but he checks a lot of the boxes GMs like.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

no kidding. I at least can respect people when they stick by their opinion but flip flopping back and forth isn't acceptable. It's all water under the bridge at this point but they should of blew the core up years ago besides Giroux.

What's this nonsense that Voracek doesn't have trade value? I mean it's not out of the question to say that he'll be a 60-70 point player the rest of his contract. Sure it's a bit pricey but he checks a lot of the boxes GMs like.

Exactly.

GMs tend to like good players, regardless of their contracts being a bit pricey. If we're talking about a bad player then of course I agree...but Jake hasn't stopped putting points up and doesn't seem like he's about to. His contract will be almost a non-issue in a trade...you just acquire an expiring contract if you have to to balance the salary, but it doesn't deter teams from picking up a top winger.

 

[Lindberg]

Exactly.

GMs tend to like good players, regardless of their contracts being a bit pricey. If we're talking about a bad player then of course I agree...but Jake hasn't stopped putting points up and doesn't seem like he's about to. His contract will be almost a non-issue in a trade...you just acquire an expiring contract if you have to to balance the salary, but it doesn't deter teams from picking up a top winger.

I wish people would stop acting like Jake is some reclamation project. Frankly no one on the team has an albatross of a contract.

Some dummies act like Ghost has one as well but any GM worth his salt is going to take chance there too. Everyone on this team (excluding NMCs/NTCs) is move-able.

 

[Striiker]

no kidding. I at least can respect people when they stick by their opinion but flip flopping back and forth isn't acceptable. It's all water under the bridge at this point but they should of blew the core up years ago besides Giroux.

What's this nonsense that Voracek doesn't have trade value? I mean it's not out of the question to say that he'll be a 60-70 point player the rest of his contract. Sure it's a bit pricey but he checks a lot of the boxes GMs like.

The notion that Voracek has negative trade value or needs to go is just absolutely absurd. The guy is still producing even though he's been pushed to the third line and has had his PP time sabotaged.

People are out of their minds with frustration right now and want scapegoats and blood. Nothing more.

 

[Tripod]

The notion that Voracek has negative trade value or needs to go is just absolutely absurd. The guy is still producing even though he's been pushed to the third line and has had his PP time sabotaged.

People are out of their minds with frustration right now and want scapegoats and blood. Nothing more.

Yeah wishfully wanting to get rid of a 65ish point guy for nothing is very odd. Not like we have lots of GUARANTEED 65 point guys in waiting.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I wish people would stop acting like Jake is some reclamation project. Frankly no one on the team has an albatross of a contract.

Some dummies act like Ghost has one as well but any GM worth his salt is going to take chance there too. Everyone on this team (excluding NMCs/NTCs) is move-able.

Mhm!

And to be clear: I'd trade Jake, sure. I think it'd be dumb to trade him if you're not making a "hockey trade" since you're supposed to be competing right now. Dumping one of your top players for nothing during a competing window would just be absurd.

If it makes sense to trade Jake, then do it (don't just trade him in hopes you'll sign a free agent like Doug Hamilton).

We need to get better now, not worse.

 

[TCTC]

I mean, if the question is Voracek or JVR, I'd keep JVR. Same age, similar level of production, but only two more years on his contract and lower AAV.
It's safe to say that one has to go in order to re-sign Couturier and all the other upcoming FA's.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

I keep thinking this says "Realistic Jack Edwards Proposals"

I just entered this thread two days later to post the exact same thing

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I mean, if the question is Voracek or JVR, I'd keep JVR. Same age, similar level of production, but only two more years on his contract and lower AAV.
It's safe to say that one has to go in order to re-sign Couturier and all the other upcoming FA's.

I don't think anyone has a problem with this thought process. I think the issue I (and others) have is that you can only achieve this by giving away one for free...that their value is zero (or less).

It's just terrible asset management to lose one for nothing.

 

[Tripod]

Guy on the main boards said Provy+TK+ Farabee for Eichel+

 

[wankstifier]

Guy on the main boards said Provy+TK+ Farabee for Eichel+

Why are there multiple pieces on both sides...

Provorov + Konecny for Eichel seems okay? I struggle with evaluation, though

 

[BritainStix]

Eichel really isn't going to get traded for what fans think he's worth.

When was the last time a player of his calibre returned anything half decent. Thornton returned scrap, Hall returned scrap, Stone returned bit parts.

The team trading the superstar almost always loses out.

 

[CutOnDime97]

Eichel really isn't going to get traded for what fans think he's worth.

When was the last time a player of his calibre returned anything half decent. Thornton returned scrap, Hall returned scrap, Stone returned bit parts.

The team trading the superstar almost always loses out.

PLD for Laine and Roslovic was decent enough for both teams.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Eichel really isn't going to get traded for what fans think he's worth.

When was the last time a player of his calibre returned anything half decent. Thornton returned scrap, Hall returned scrap, Stone returned bit parts.

The team trading the superstar almost always loses out.

I agree with you.

I think the best Buff is getting is something like TK, Patrick, Andrae, and a 1st

 

[BritainStix]

PLD for Laine and Roslovic was decent enough for both teams.

30 point winger and a sniper with questionable work ethic and defense. Ive seen ridiculous packages like Provorov + Konecny + York + 1st being thrown around.

He is never going to get a package like that.

 

[Prongo]

Guy on the main boards said Provy+TK+ Farabee for Eichel+

Again, when was the last time a package of legit three performing NHLers were traded for one player? The answer is never. Everyone of those guys is either a top 6 or top 4. No team is trading that type of depth for one player.

 

[CutOnDime97]

What do we think it would take to get Johnny Gaudreau?

 

[deadhead]

Why would we want him?

 

[CutOnDime97]

Why would we want him?

He's good at hockey

Really strange how you'll go to bat for Robert Hagg day and night then snarl at players like Eichel and Gaudreau. Players that affect the game in a postive way