Proposal: Realistic Jack Eichel Proposals

[ponder719]

I have no idea how to make a realistic proposal for Eichel, but I do know what I would expect the Flyers' red lines to be.

Couturier, Provorov, and Hart would almost certainly be off the table, as moving any of them would severely weaken the team (Hart not so much this season, but long-term, it would.)

Giroux would likely not waive his NMC for Buffalo, even if asked (and he should not be.) I doubt Hayes would, either, so they're off the table for other reasons.

Buffalo almost certainly would want a top quality forward, a center with high upside, a young NHL-ready defenseman, and some picks or lesser prospects.

That, to me, reads as Konecny, Patrick or Frost, Sanheim (or Myers, but positionally I think the Flyers push Sanheim here), and a #1, potentially with additional salary ballast. Would I do that? Probably, even though it's hard to consider just how much talent is going out the door. A 1-2-3 of Eichel-Couturier-Hayes is just super tempting. Now, I don't know if this gets outbid somewhere else, but that's the baseline I think it'd take.

 

[Rich Nixon]

I have no idea how to make a realistic proposal for Eichel, but I do know what I would expect the Flyers' red lines to be.

Couturier, Provorov, and Hart would almost certainly be off the table, as moving any of them would severely weaken the team (Hart not so much this season, but long-term, it would.)

Giroux would likely not waive his NMC for Buffalo, even if asked (and he should not be.) I doubt Hayes would, either, so they're off the table for other reasons.

Buffalo almost certainly would want a top quality forward, a center with high upside, a young NHL-ready defenseman, and some picks or lesser prospects.

That, to me, reads as Konecny, Patrick or Frost, Sanheim (or Myers, but positionally I think the Flyers push Sanheim here), and a #1, potentially with additional salary ballast. Would I do that? Probably, even though it's hard to consider just how much talent is going out the door. A 1-2-3 of Eichel-Couturier-Hayes is just super tempting. Now, I don't know if this gets outbid somewhere else, but that's the baseline I think it'd take.

That's kinda where I'm at. f*** Hayes, I just think Eichel-Couturier down the middle would be hard to handle. I'd do Konecny+Sanheim+1st+Patrick if possible, and I really like two of those three guys. Dunno if that deal gets it done, and then you even more desperately need another top 4 defenseman (and a cheap one at that) to spring up from somewhere. If you get Eichel coming in I'd want to see if you could finesse JVR out of town elsewhere for at least a couple light futures, crack open a little cap room for a defenseman add and soften the blow from what you bust on Eichel.

I think any deal for a player of Eichel's caliber also means remaking about half the roster. Which, after a decade of bullshit, I'd be alright with. Keep Couturier, Farabee, Lindblom, Laughton, and Giroux, Hayes, and Voracek (for different reasons you have to), plug in Eichel, pair Provorov with something stable, hope you haven't destroyed Hart (but carry an excellent backup--another expense), keep Ghost in the lineup at all costs. They have the resources to do something major, they just have to have a plan and nuts if they want to. I'd be for it because I'm bored to death.

 

[Lindberg]

If Konency+Sanheim+1st+patrick got it done, blow it up. Feel free to ship out Voracek.

 

[Starat327]

Reinhart is a very nice piece, but ultimately a support player. He didn't play with Hall before this year. He hasn't played with Hall for all of this season either. He's spent almost as much 5v5 time with Victor Olofsson as Hall.

Eichel's had a weird, weird year where he has some of the best defensive impacts in the league but nothing is going in for him while the entire team quit on their dumpster fire of a coach. And they have absolutely nothing on the back end to start transition. Nothing. They've even broken Rasmus Dahlin.

There's no common ground to even continue the conversation.

Jojo. We've got Tanner Lacyzinski on the way. Tell me again why we need this bum with his loser mentality. Imagine the loser-ness in the room with Fraud Giroix as Captain as Jack Eichant as an A.

 

[Starat327]

Also, just to toss this out there cause I know Deady absolutely loves to ignore (or "forget to mention") stats when they don't suit his argument, just last year Eiched actually got 36 goals in 68 games, a 43 goal pace.

 

[deadhead]

Also, just to toss this out there cause I know Deady absolutely loves to ignore (or "forget to mention") stats when they don't suit his argument, just last year Eiched actually got 36 goals in 68 games, a 43 goal pace.

Coulda woulda shoulda.

 

[wankstifier]

Don’t think the Flyers should really have any “untouchables” in a trade for someone like Eichel. Maybe Hart, and only because goaltending depth looks grim?

 

[CutOnDime97]

Really bashing Eichel for his numbers this year? He's been banged up, teams in the absolute dumpster, coach fired, and Hall has been trash.

But yeah I guess we don't need a guy like Eichel because we have Joel Farabee

 

[Striiker]

I was told that only results matter and playing well is worthless if you don't have goals to show for it. I really don't know what to believe anymore.

2 goals this year just isn't good enough. He has to find a way. No excuses.

 

[Starat327]

Coulda woulda shoulda.

Says the guy talking about Farabees 35 goal pace.


I really hope you never wonder why people are reluctant to engage in meaningful conversation with you.

 

[deadhead]

Eichel is a luxury good, a veteran RHD is a necessity. So is a veteran goaltender who can buy a couple years until Hart/Ersson/Fedotov are ready to handle the load.

So trading a starting D-man to get a little stronger up the middle is robbing Peter to pay Paul, it's not going to make the team better - we'll just score more and allow more goals. See Edmonton, Toronto for evidence that a couple star offensive centers can't carry a team.

Frost, TK, a couple 1st rd picks, sure, no problem.
That's our area of strength. Eichel would replace Frost, TK has plenty of potential replacements, and with our talent depth and skill at scouting, we can give up a couple 1st rd picks - and this year might be #10 or so.

But we'll have to dump Voracek and maybe JVR to free up enough cap room to pay Eichel and the RHD and the veteran goalie. ($18-20M).

 

[Lindberg]

I was told that only results matter and playing well is worthless if you don't have goals to show for it. I really don't know what to believe anymore.

2 goals this year just isn't good enough. He has to find a way. No excuses.

Wait so you should constantly change the goal posts to fit your narrative? Results matter, results dont matter, back and forth.

 

[Starat327]

Wait so you should constantly change the goal posts to fit your narrative? Results matter, results dont matter, back and forth.

Results have only mattered since the beginning of March. March wins are worth twice as much as other wins.

Everyone knows this.

 

[hmc1987]

If Konency+Sanheim+1st+patrick got it done, blow it up. Feel free to ship out Voracek.

Would never give that haul for Eichel.

Konecny, Patrick + 1st is most I'm doing.

Expose Voracek and have him picked by SEA.

Lots of cap space and lineup slots avail for player growth.

If Couts doesn't resign in offseason trade him and recoup wingers

Problems solved.

 

[Lindberg]

Would never give that haul for Eichel.

Konecny, Patrick + 1st is most I'm doing.

Expose Voracek and have him picked by SEA.

Lots of cap space and lineup slots avail for player growth.

If Couts doesn't resign in offseason trade him and recoup wingers

Problems solved.

If Sanheim was the piece that makes you not do that deal.... I dont know what to tell you. Jack Eichel is game changer, Sanheim is not.

 

[Striiker]

Wait so you should constantly change the goal posts to fit your narrative? Results matter, results dont matter, back and forth.

Seems like it

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Would never give that haul for Eichel.

Konecny, Patrick + 1st is most I'm doing.

Expose Voracek and have him picked by SEA.

Lots of cap space and lineup slots avail for player growth.

If Couts doesn't resign in offseason trade him and recoup wingers

Problems solved.

If you think exposing Jake for free is a solution as a GM, then you should be fired immediately.

 

[Rebels57]

If you think exposing Jake for free is a solution as a GM, then you should be fired immediately.

Getting out of the remaining 3 years of Jakes $8.25 million contract without having to pay a team would be a miracle.

We have plenty of winger depth and we can use that money to pursue Dougie Hamilton. If we can't land him then we bank the money for Couturier's extension and see see what shakes loose in free agency the following summer.

Protecting JVR and his 2 years at $7 million over Jake should be an Expansion no-brainer.

 

[Rebels57]

Would never give that haul for Eichel.

Konecny, Patrick + 1st is most I'm doing.

Expose Voracek and have him picked by SEA.

Lots of cap space and lineup slots avail for player growth.

If Couts doesn't resign in offseason trade him and recoup wingers

Problems solved.

Buffalo says no.

Patrick has 1 point in 26 games and might not have another the rest of the season. He's not very good at the moment and his value is extremely low.

Konecny hasn't been the same since before the bubble.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Getting out of the remaining 3 years of Jakes $8.25 million contract without having to pay a team would be a miracle.

We have plenty of winger depth and we can use that money to pursue Dougie Hamilton. If we can't land him then we bank the money for Couturier's extension and see see what shakes loose in free agency the following summer.

Protecting JVR and his 2 years at $7 million over Jake should be an Expansion no-brainer.

That's just an absurd thought. He's got 25 points in 29 games and has been a model of consistency year-to-year. You think we have to pay someone to take that kind of a player on?

Come onnnnnnnn.

 

[Starat327]

Getting out of the remaining 3 years of Jakes $8.25 million contract without having to pay a team would be a miracle.

We have plenty of winger depth and we can use that money to pursue Dougie Hamilton. If we can't land him then we bank the money for Couturier's extension and see see what shakes loose in free agency the following summer.

Protecting JVR and his 2 years at $7 million over Jake should be an Expansion no-brainer.

This is only the case if we actually use that space and acquire an upgrade. It's nice to think that Hamilton would come here, but I can totally see him not wanting to be a part of our media circus.

If we don't fill that space with a useful player like that, Fletch is going to fill it with something, because not being close to cap isn't in this teams MO. I simply don't trust Fletcher to use that space wisely.

 

[hmc1987]

If you think exposing Jake for free is a solution as a GM, then you should be fired immediately.

Better than signing him $8.25 x 8...yikes

 

[hmc1987]

Getting out of the remaining 3 years of Jakes $8.25 million contract without having to pay a team would be a miracle.

We have plenty of winger depth and we can use that money to pursue Dougie Hamilton. If we can't land him then we bank the money for Couturier's extension and see see what shakes loose in free agency the following summer.

Protecting JVR and his 2 years at $7 million over Jake should be an Expansion no-brainer.

Seriously...these people are living in 2016 in regards to Jakub.

JVR can be a PP specialist while playing mid 6. Voracek just got to go...adds nothing and is a turnover machine

 

[Philly Fanatik]

Seriously...these people are living in 2016 in regards to Jakub.

JVR can be a PP specialist while playing mid 6. Voracek just got to go...adds nothing and is a turnover machine

For $8.25 mil/yr....
We are getting fleeced!

 

[TCTC]

That's just an absurd thought. He's got 25 points in 29 games and has been a model of consistency year-to-year. You think we have to pay someone to take that kind of a player on?

Come onnnnnnnn.

If he had JVR's contract, I would be completely fine with Voracek on the team. But we're going to need cap space and he really is the logical choice to make room.

I agree that he still has trade value though, but I doubt you'd get a lot for him.