RE-DO the 1st & 2nd Rounds of 2005!!

[Twist and Shout]

Oshie would easily go in the Top 10.

 

[Mr. Hab]

We should take this to parliment

Let's not!! It's more than ridiculous!!

This whole parliament thing is a joke!

As if politicians have nothing better to do with taxpayers' money!!



p.s.: don't worry...I know you were obviously joking/being sarcastic...

 

[________]

Don't agree with you concerning Niskanen.
This guy is the PPQB for Dallas, in the future.
At the 28th spot, he will turn out to be a steal.
This guy concentrate on hockey as his unique sport for the first time of his life.
Before he was a multi-sport athlete in High school.
If you have followed him at Minnesota-Duluth, he has not only superb stats, for a soph. (39g. - 31 pts as a def.), but he's a gifted athlete and a powerful skater. He played a lot for MDU in all situation.
So don't agree, I keep him at the 28th. spot.

If Niskanen had played in the USHL, or in the CHL he would've been a top 15 pick, just like he would've been picked 10-20(most likely 12-15th) if the 2005 draft was re-done today.

He doesn't get much hype on the boards either and there's not too many people that have seen him play.

 

[PensFan101]

There's not a lot of love for Ryan in this thread. I'm telling you guys, he could easily be the 2nd best player out of this draft. Being a power forward means he takes time to develop, but after watching him his entire junior career, he simply dominates every game (except when London comes to town, but that's London). His physical presence is immense (while a team like London had a weak defense this season, during the playoffs he turned them into his puppets). He has tremendous hands (like a big dangler), great scoring ability, and hockey sense out the ying yang. His skating his certainly sub-par, but his top speed is NHL calibre and he's extremely hard to knock off the puck.

Sure, there's a lot you can say about many of the prospects, and its simply my opinion, but Ryan is the complete package and will be a quality 1st line player in his NHL prime.

 

[Mr. Hab]

There's not a lot of love for Ryan in this thread. I'm telling you guys, he could easily be the 2nd best player out of this draft. Being a power forward means he takes time to develop, but after watching him his entire junior career, he simply dominates every game (except when London comes to town, but that's London). His physical presence is immense (while a team like London had a weak defense this season, during the playoffs he turned them into his puppets). He has tremendous hands (like a big dangler), great scoring ability, and hockey sense out the ying yang. His skating his certainly sub-par, but his top speed is NHL calibre and he's extremely hard to knock off the puck.

Sure, there's a lot you can say about many of the prospects, and its simply my opinion, but Ryan is the complete package and will be a quality 1st line player in his NHL prime.

I'm not counting him out...it's not like it's been 2, 3, 4 years...!!!
B. Ryan is what? 20? almost 21? He's very young...still some potential.
I wouldn't put him so, so high, but I also realize that his value can climb quickly within a year or two...

Same goes for Brule, Pouliot...

 

[SpezNc2]

Oshie would easily go in the Top 10.

Maybe.. but not easily!!

 

[SpezNc2]

Even if Latendresse was in the NHL last year and was showing some flashes of brillance! He is no top 10 material.. First rounder? Yes.. Top 10? no way unless the habs grab him at number 5 and still, i don't see the habs doing that since they were so high on Carey Price...

Top 20-25? Probably

 

[Junk]

Chad Denny's done nothing but solidify his 2nd round draft status, he was an off the board pick then, getting better now, 19 points (9G,10A) in 17 playoff games.

 

[Mr. Hab]

Which players would you move UP? Which players would you move DOWN?



Here is the entire 1st and 2nd round (no changes have been made):

1st round
1 Pittsburgh Sidney Crosby C
2 Anaheim Bobby Ryan R
3 Carolina Jack Johnson D
4 Minnesota Benoit Pouliot L
5 Mtl. Canadiens Carey Price G
6 Columbus Gilbert Brule C
7 Chicago Jack Skille R
8 San Jose Devin Setoguchi R
9 Ottawa Brian Lee D
10 Vancouver Luc Bourdon D
11 Los Angeles Anze Kopitar C (UP to #2 or #3, whichever you prefer!)
12 NY Rangers Marc Staal D
13 Buffalo Marek Zagrapan C
14 Washington Sasha Pokulok D (DOWN to 2nd Round?)
15 NY Islanders Ryan O'Marra C
16 Atlanta Alex Bourret R
17 Phoenix Martin Hanzal C
18 Nashville Ryan Parent D
19 Detroit Jakub Kindl D
20 Florida Kendall McArdle L
21 Toronto Tuukka Rask G (UP to TOP 15)
22 Boston Matt Lashoff D
23 New Jersey Nicklas Bergfors W
24 St. Louis T.J. Oshie C
25 Edmonton Andrew Cogliano C
26 Calgary Matt Pelech D
27 Washington Joe Finley D
28 Dallas Matt Niskanen D
29 Philadelphia Steve Downie R
30 Tampa Bay Vladimir Mihalik D

Round 2

31 Anaheim Brendan Mikkelson D
32 Florida Tyler Plante G
33 Dallas James Neal L
34 Colorado Ryan Stoa C
35 San Jose Marc-Edouard Vlasic D (UP to TOP 20)
36 Edmonton Taylor Chorney D
37 St. Louis Scott Jackson D
38 New Jersey Jeff Frazee G
39 Boston Petr Kalus C
40 NY Rangers Michael Sauer D
41 Atlanta Ondrej Pavelec G
42 Detroit Justin Abdelkader L
43 Chicago Michael Blunden R
44 Colorado Paul Stastny C (UP to top 10-15)
45 Mtl. Canadiens Guillaume Latendresse R (UP to First Round)
46 NY Islanders Dustin Kohn D
47 Colorado Tom Fritsche L
48 Buffalo Philipp Gogulla W
49 Atlanta Chad Denny D
50 Los Angeles Dany Roussin L
51 Vancouver Mason Raymond W
52 Colorado Chris Durand C
53 Atlanta Andrew Kozek W
54 Chicago Dan Bertram R
55 Columbus Adam McQuaid D
56 NY Rangers Marc-Andre Cliche R
57 Minnesota Matt Kassian L
58 Carolina Nate Hagemo D
59 Phoenix Pier-Olivier Pelletier G
60 Los Angeles T.J. Fast D
61 Pittsburgh Michael Gergen W
62 Pittsburgh Kristopher Letang (UP to First Round)

 

[Redwingsfan]

mcardle should be out of the first round IMO

 

[Cliff O Malley]

hahahhahah, also another typical Pens fan........Anton Stralman should be in top 5 picks.....

Yeah I mean look at all these other Pens Homers and there rating of Letang!!

11 B Ryan
12 Bourdon
13 K Letang
14 B Pouliot
15 Latendresse

REDO 1st-2nd Round (May 1st, 2007) :

12 Bourdon
13 K Letang
14 B Pouliot
15 Latendresse

My top 50

42. Pavelec
43. Russel
43. Letang
44. JD Watt

ROUND 1

27)21 Tuukka Rask (G)
28)33 James Neal (LW)
29)62 Kristopher Letang (D)
30)41 Ondrej Pavelec (G)

Here's my top 30:


17. Steve Downie
18. Cody Franson
19. Andrew Cogliano
20. Kris Letang
21. Ryan Parent
22. Martin Hanzal

My 2 Cents

10 - Bobby Ryan
11 - Marc Staal
12 - Kris Letang
13 - Benoit Pouliot
14 - Luc Bourdon
15 - Paul Stasny

well if it helps, i would take Letang way more then Lee on my team

my list:

14.Gilbert Brulé( really really not convinved with that huge potential he once had)
15.Nicklas Bergford
16.Kris Letang
17.T.J Oshie
18.Martin Hanzal( if he only worked a little more...)
19.Ryan O'marra

1st round


21 Toronto Tuukka Rask G Ilves Tampere (FNL)
22 Boston Matt Lashoff D Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
23 New Jersey Jack Skille R U.S. Junior National Team (Intl)
24 St. Louis Kris Letang
25 Edmonton Andrew Cogliano C St. Michael's Buzzers (OPJHL)
26 Calgary Marc-Edouard Vlasic Quebec Remparts (QMJHL)

6.CLB Paul Stastny (44)
7.CHI Andrew Cogliano (25)
8.SJ Guillaume Latendresse (45)
9.OTT Luc Bourdon (10)
10.VAN Marc Staal (12)
11.LA Gilbert Brule (6)
12.NYR Marc-Edouard Vlasic (35)
13.BUF Niklas Bergfors (23)
14.WAS Kristopher Letang (62)
15.NYI Bobby Ryan (2) (Biggest Drop of the First Round)
16.ATL Benoit Pouliot (4)

Which players would you move UP? Which players would you move DOWN?



Here is the entire 1st and 2nd round (no changes have been made):


60 Los Angeles T.J. Fast D
61 Pittsburgh Michael Gergen W
62 Pittsburgh Kristopher Letang (UP to First Round)

 

[jordy]

1. Sidney Crosby
2. Anze Kopitar
3. Jack Johnson
4. Carey Price
5. Kris Letang
6.Marc Staal
7. M.E Vlasic
8. Niklas Bergfors
9. Gilbert Brule
10. Luc Bourdon
11. Steve Downie
12. Guillaume Latendresse
13. Bobby Ryan
14. Peter Kalus
15. Jakub Kindl
16. Ondrej Pavelec (could be the steal of the draft)
17.Benoit Pouliot
18.Ryan Parent
19. Tuuka Rask
20. T.J Oshie
21.Matt Lashoff
22. Jack Skille
23.Andrew Cogliano
24.Marek Zagrapan
25.Brian Lee
26. Michael Blunden
27. Ryan O'Marra
28. Devin Setoguchi..not sure about him yet but would definately not select him again at 8.
29 Dan Bertram
30 .Martin Hanzal


Definately a strong draft

 

[Redwingsfan]

parent, rask and oshie should be a bit higher imo

 

[Naoned]

As a Hab fan, I really enjoy what Latendresse has done this year. But I think top 10 is too high. Glad to see non hab fans overrating him, though.

 

[Gwyddbwyll]

At the start of 2009/10 - ranked by NHL points

1. Sidney Crosby 397pts (1 - Pitts)
2. Anze Kopitar 204 pts (11 - LA)
3. Paul Stastny 185pts (44 - Col)
4. Andrew Cogliano 83pts (25 - Edm)
5. Guillaume Latendresse 82pts (45 - Mon)
6. Devin Setoguchi 82pts (8 - San Jose)
7. Marc-Edouard Vlasic 76pts (35 - San Jose)
8. Bobby Ryan 67pts (2 - Ana)
9. Martin Hanzal 66pts (17 - Phx)
10. Matt Niskanen 61pts (28 - Dal)

Apart from Crosby, only Setoguchi and Ryan were drafted top 10. And Setoguchi was a controversial pick. But San Jose show their drafting ability yet again.. the most underrated in the NHL.

11. Kris Letang 52pts (62 - Pit)
12. Sergei Kostitsyn 50pts (200 - Mon)
13. Keith Yandle 44pts (105 - Phx)
14. Mason Raymond 44pts (51 - Van)
15. TJ Oshie 39pts (24 - StL)
16. James Neal 37pts (33 - Dal)
17. Gilbert Brule 35pts (6 - Cbs)
18. TJ Hensick 32pts (88 - Col)
19. Kris Russell 31pts (67 - Cbs)
20. Marc Staal 25pts (12- NYR)

At this stage, Columbus, Colorado, Dallas, Phoenix, Montreal and San Jose and Pittsburgh have all drafted 2 players in the top 20. That's 14 players to 7 teams and 6 players to the rest of the league (23 teams). Quite a marked difference.

The list is certainly far from complete as rising stars Neal, Oshie and Ryan are moving up fast.

21. Jared Boll 24pts (101 - Chi)
22. Anton Stralman 22pts (216 - Tor)
22. Jack Johnson 22pts (3 - Car)
24. Matt D'Agostini 21pts (190 - Mon)
25. Steve Downie 18pts (29 - Phi)
26. Matt Lashoff 15pts (22 - Bos)
27. Brian Lee 14pts (9 - Ott)
28. Benoit Pouliot 14pts (4 - Min)
29. Vlad Sobotka 12pts (106 - Bos)
30. Kyle Cumiskey 7pts (222 - Col)
30. Patric Hornqvist 7pts (230 - Nas)

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Bergfors will put up 30-40 point this season and looks every bit like a 2nd liner in the NHL.

 

[Coaches Coroner]

Rask needs to move out of the first round because I can't cope with him moving up as a Leafs fan. JFJ does something right in drafting Rask then trades him, *sigh*.

 

[Granlund2Pulkkinen*]

Rask needs to move out of the first round because I can't cope with him moving up as a Leafs fan. JFJ does something right in drafting Rask then trades him, *sigh*.

Leafs have had poor management since.

Wasn't it Rask for Raycroft?

 

[GoldPuck]

This is the REAL list of how the 1st would go if you did it today:

1 Sidney Crosby C
2 Anze Kopitar C
3 Carey Price G
4 Bobby Ryan R
5 Paul Stastny C
6 Jack Johnson D
7 T.J. Oshie C
8 Marc Staal D
9 Devin Setoguchi R
10 Tuukka Rask G
11 Marc-Edouard Vlasic D
12 Ondrej Pavelec G
13 Kristopher Letang
14 James Neal L
15 Andrew Cogliano C
16 Matt Niskanen D
17 Martin Hanzal C
18 Gilbert Brule C
19 Benoit Pouliot L
20 Guillaume Latendresse R
21 Jack Skille R
22 Brian Lee D
23 Mason Raymond W
24 Jakub Kindl D
25 Ryan Parent D
26 Matt Lashoff D
27 Marek Zagrapan C
28 Kendall McArdle L
29 Nicklas Bergfors W
30 Vladimir Mihalik D

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Letang ought to be moved into the top 2 rounds. First round, actually.

hahahhahah, also another typical Pens fan........Anton Stralman should be in top 5 picks.....

Good times.

 

[isles31]

Ignorance has forced you to boot Michael Sauer out I see.

and keep ryan o'marra in the first 2 rounds...looking back, he probably goes undrafted

 

[isles31]

1. Sidney Crosby
2. Anze Kopitar
3. Jack Johnson
4. Carey Price
5. Kris Letang
6.Marc Staal
7. M.E Vlasic
8. Niklas Bergfors
9. Gilbert Brule
10. Luc Bourdon
11. Steve Downie
12. Guillaume Latendresse
13. Bobby Ryan
14. Peter Kalus
15. Jakub Kindl
16. Ondrej Pavelec (could be the steal of the draft)
17.Benoit Pouliot
18.Ryan Parent
19. Tuuka Rask
20. T.J Oshie
21.Matt Lashoff
22. Jack Skille
23.Andrew Cogliano
24.Marek Zagrapan
25.Brian Lee
26. Michael Blunden
27. Ryan O'Marra
28. Devin Setoguchi..not sure about him yet but would definately not select him again at 8.
29 Dan Bertram
30 .Martin Hanzal


Definately a strong draft

how is omarra in there? hes not a 1st rd talent...hes not even a 6th rd talent. hes useless and nowhere near the player setoguchi is, yet hes drafted right before him. Omarra had 1g and 9a in 62 games in the ahl last season...the yr before? he had 20 pts in 24 games...in the ECHL. But is 2007 he had 9 pts in 31 games in the AHL...soooo yeah, not a first, second or even a 5th rd pick

 

[Fripp]

Psst ... check the date on the post you quoted.

 

[Nocashstyle]

Top: 6

1. Crosby
2. Ryan
3. Johnson
4. Kopitar
5. Stasny
6. Price

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

This is the REAL list of how the 1st would go if you did it today:

1 Sidney Crosby C
2 Anze Kopitar C
3 Carey Price G
4 Bobby Ryan R
5 Paul Stastny C
6 Jack Johnson D
7 T.J. Oshie C
8 Marc Staal D
9 Devin Setoguchi R
10 Tuukka Rask G
11 Marc-Edouard Vlasic D
12 Ondrej Pavelec G
13 Kristopher Letang
14 James Neal L
15 Andrew Cogliano C
16 Matt Niskanen D
17 Martin Hanzal C
18 Gilbert Brule C
19 Benoit Pouliot L
20 Guillaume Latendresse R
21 Jack Skille R
22 Brian Lee D
23 Mason Raymond W
24 Jakub Kindl D
25 Ryan Parent D
26 Matt Lashoff D
27 Marek Zagrapan C
28 Kendall McArdle L
29 Nicklas Bergfors W
30 Vladimir Mihalik D

Looks good. Except get McCardle outta there and Setoguchi is better than Oshie easily IMO.