RE-DO the 1st & 2nd Rounds of 2005!!

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  1. Mr. Hab

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    This could be fun!:) Redo the entire 1st and 2nd Rounds of 2005.
    Which players would you move UP? Which players would you move DOWN?

    Thanks to "BobbyOrr4ever" for this idea:) :D




    Here is the entire 1st and 2nd round:

    1st round
    1 Pittsburgh Sidney Crosby C
    2 Anaheim Bobby Ryan R
    3 Carolina Jack Johnson D
    4 Minnesota Benoit Pouliot L
    5 Mtl. Canadiens Carey Price G
    6 Columbus Gilbert Brule C
    7 Chicago Jack Skille R
    8 San Jose Devin Setoguchi R
    9 Ottawa Brian Lee D
    10 Vancouver Luc Bourdon D
    11 Los Angeles Anze Kopitar C
    12 NY Rangers Marc Staal D
    13 Buffalo Marek Zagrapan C
    14 Washington Sasha Pokulok D
    15 NY Islanders Ryan O'Marra C
    16 Atlanta Alex Bourret R
    17 Phoenix Martin Hanzal C
    18 Nashville Ryan Parent D
    19 Detroit Jakub Kindl D
    20 Florida Kendall McArdle L
    21 Toronto Tuukka Rask G
    22 Boston Matt Lashoff D
    23 New Jersey Nicklas Bergfors W
    24 St. Louis T.J. Oshie C
    25 Edmonton Andrew Cogliano C
    26 Calgary Matt Pelech D
    27 Washington Joe Finley D
    28 Dallas Matt Niskanen D
    29 Philadelphia Steve Downie R


    Round 2
    30 Tampa Bay Vladimir Mihalik D
    31 Anaheim Brendan Mikkelson D
    32 Florida Tyler Plante G
    33 Dallas James Neal L
    34 Colorado Ryan Stoa C
    35 San Jose Marc-Edouard Vlasic D
    36 Edmonton Taylor Chorney D

    37 St. Louis Scott Jackson D
    38 New Jersey Jeff Frazee G
    39 Boston Petr Kalus C
    40 NY Rangers Michael Sauer D
    41 Atlanta Ondrej Pavelec G
    42 Detroit Justin Abdelkader L
    43 Chicago Michael Blunden R
    44 Colorado Paul Stastny C
    45 Mtl. Canadiens Guillaume Latendresse R

    46 NY Islanders Dustin Kohn D
    47 Colorado Tom Fritsche L
    48 Buffalo Philipp Gogulla W
    49 Atlanta Chad Denny D
    50 Los Angeles Dany Roussin L
    51 Vancouver Mason Raymond W
    52 Colorado Chris Durand C
    53 Atlanta Andrew Kozek W
    54 Chicago Dan Bertram R
    55 Columbus Adam McQuaid D
    56 NY Rangers Marc-Andre Cliche R
    57 Minnesota Matt Kassian L
    58 Carolina Nate Hagemo D
    59 Phoenix Pier-Olivier Pelletier G
    60 Los Angeles T.J. Fast D
    61 Pittsburgh Michael Gergen W



    I'll redo the list later!!
     
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  2. Zim

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    I think Kopitar, Staal and Oshie should to be moving up.
     
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  3. DaveG

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    Kopitar would probably be the #2 pick IMO, Staal into the top 10 over Lee, Oshie into the top 15, Stastny into the first round and probably top 15.
     
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    Letang ought to be moved into the top 2 rounds. First round, actually.
     
  5. spintheblackcircle

    spintheblackcircle ...so that happened.

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    Vlasic biggest riser? He's easily top 10 now.
     
  6. WhiskeyYourTheDevils

    WhiskeyYourTheDevils yer leadin me astray Sponsor

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    get dany roussin out of there
     
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    Pretty much my thoughts exactly.

    P_B

    :bb:
     
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    I can't help but think that Colorado did very well for a team that had no first rounder. They sneaked two of em down in the 2nd. Stoa and Stastny could have both been picked in the first.

    Big jumps also for Oshie, Latendresse and Vlasic while Lee, Setoguchi, Ryan and Zagrapan's stock might have fallen a bit. Roussin is just off the map. I could also mention Brule has having taken a plunge (shades of Corey Locke) but the jury's still out on him yet.

    Same goes for the others I've mentionned though. It's still too early to call anyone a bust...

    Except maybe Dany "Crosby made me" Roussin. :sarcasm:
     
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    This draft still leaves a horribly bitter taste in my mouth. The Caps were one of the worst teams in the league the previous year and got a mid-round pick for it b/c of some arbitrary lottery ball rule the nhl came up with. Here's a big old **** you. :p:
     
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    Well you guys did have a chance to grab Hanzal or Bergfors :p
     
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    Please Cap fan-- you stole Ovechkin and/or Malkin from the hawks.

    I will always hate you.


    -fullmetalninja
     
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    I'll raise Stastny , Stoa , Latendresse , Vlasic , Pavelec to 1st round and drop Pelech to early 2nd pick


    Kopitar #2 overall

    Price #4 overall

    Pouliot and Ryan between 10 and 15 overall

    Staal and Oshie between 5 and 10 overall


    thats how I see it
     
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    Matt Kassian has no business anywhere near the 2nd round.
     
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    Nothing against Price but it is really worth picking a goalie that high when he will be a UFA at 27 and probably won't mature till 24/25ish like most goalies do? With the new UFA rules, you have to think twice before drafting a goalie so high.
     
  15. FrankMTL

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    Technically he CAN be a UFA at that age...but who says he is not signed to a multi year contract at 25 or 26...There are a lot of "what if's" you can play out in these situations.....
     
  16. boredmale

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    I still think Price is top 10, but like i said with the new UFA rules, i would be sort of scared picking a goalie so high as some suggested knowing he will probably not be in his peak till his late 20s. With forwards you will more likely get more good years out of them before they are UFA or get to sign a big RFA deal.
     
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    1st round

    1 Pittsburgh Sidney Crosby C Rimouski Oceanic (QMJHL)
    2 Anaheim Jack Johnson D U.S. Junior National Team (Intl)
    3 Carolina Anze Kopitar C Sodertalje Jrs (Sweden)
    4 Minnesota Benoit Pouliot L Sudbury Wolves (OHL)
    5 Mtl. Canadiens Carey Price G Tri-City Americans (WHL)
    6 Columbus Guillaume Latendresse R Drummondville Voltigeurs (QMJHL)
    7 Chicago Paul Stastny C U. of Denver (NCAA)
    8 San Jose Devin Setoguchi R Saskatoon Blades (WHL)
    9 Ottawa Bobby Ryan R Owen Sound Attack (OHL)
    10 Vancouver Luc Bourdon D Val-d'Or Foreurs (QMJHL)
    11 Los Angeles Nicklas Bergfors W Sodertalje SK (SEL)
    12 NY Rangers Marc Staal D Sudbury Wolves (OHL)
    13 Buffalo Marek Zagrapan C Chicoutimi Sagueneens (QMJHL)
    14 Washington Sasha Pokulok D Cornell University (NCAA)
    15 NY Islanders Ryan O'Marra C Erie Otters (OHL)
    16 Atlanta Gilbert Brule C Vancouver Giants (WHL)
    17 Phoenix Martin Hanzal C Budejovice Jrs (Czech. Rep)
    18 Nashville Ryan Parent D Guelph Storm (OHL)
    19 Detroit T.J. Oshie C Warroad H.S. (Minn.)
    20 Florida Kendall McArdle L Moose Jaw Warriors (WHL)
    21 Toronto Tuukka Rask G Ilves Tampere (FNL)
    22 Boston Matt Lashoff D Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
    23 New Jersey Jack Skille R U.S. Junior National Team (Intl)
    24 St. Louis Kris Letang
    25 Edmonton Andrew Cogliano C St. Michael's Buzzers (OPJHL)
    26 Calgary Marc-Edouard Vlasic Quebec Remparts (QMJHL)
    27 Washington Brendan Mikkelson D Portland Winter Hawks (WHL)
    28 Dallas Matt Niskanen D Virginia H.S. (Minn.)
    29 Philadelphia Steve Downie R Windsor Spitfires (OHL)
     
  18. caley

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    Okay, so I re-ranked the players completely arbitrarialy by myself by Forward, Defence, and Goalies, then plunked 'em down where they SHOULD have landed. So, even though, for instance, Minnesota at #4 could probably use a top goalie prospect in Carey Price, at the time they were looking for a forward, so that's what I've given them here.

    Where players were actually picked in parentheses

    1. PIT Sidney Crosby (1)
    2. ANA Anze Kopitar (11)
    3. CAR Jack Johnson (3) {Even with the knowledge he won't report to Carolina, they still select him to turn around and deal him (Hopefully for more this time).
    4.MIN Steve Downie (39)
    5.MON Carey Price (5)
    6.CLB Paul Stastny (44)
    7.CHI Andrew Cogliano (25)
    8.SJ Guillaume Latendresse (45)
    9.OTT Luc Bourdon (10)
    10.VAN Marc Staal (12)
    11.LA Gilbert Brule (6)
    12.NYR Marc-Edouard Vlasic (35)
    13.BUF Niklas Bergfors (23)
    14.WAS Kristopher Letang (62)
    15.NYI Bobby Ryan (2) (Biggest Drop of the First Round)
    16.ATL Benoit Pouliot (4)
    17.PHO Jack Skille (7)
    18.NAS Kris Russell (67)
    19.DET Ryan Parent (18)
    20.FLO Devin Setoguchi (8)
    21.TOR Tuukka Rask (21)
    22.BOS Jakub Kindl (19)
    23.NJ Tom Pyatt (107) (Biggest Jump of the First Round)
    24.STL Ryan O'Mearra (15)
    25.EDM Marek Zagrapan (13)
    26.CAL Cody Franson (79)
    27.WAS Taylor Chorney (36)
    28.DAL Keith Yandle (105)
    29.PHI T.J. Oshie (24)

    30.TAM Brian Lee (9)
    31.ANA Matt Lashoff (22)
    32.FLO Jeff Frazzee (38)
    33.DAL Martin Hanzal (17)
    34.COL James Neal (33)
    35.SJ Vladimir Mihalik (30)
    36.EDM Brendan Mikkelson (31)
    37.STL Kyle Cumiskey (222) {Biggest gain of the second round)
    38.NJ Ondrej Pavelec (41)
    39.BOS Petr Kalus (39)
    40.NYR Danny Syvret (81)
    41.ATL Tyler Plante (32)
    42.DET Michael Blunden (43)
    43.CHI Dan Bertram (54)
    44.COL Alex Bourret (16)
    45.MON Marc-Andre Cliché (56)
    46.NYI Sasha Pokulok (14)
    47.COL Ilja Zubov (98)
    48.BUF Slava Trukhno (120)
    49.ATL Dustin Kohn (46)
    50.LA Masi Marjamaki (144)
    51.VAN Sergei Kostitsyn (200)
    52.COL Kendall McArdle (20) {Tied for biggest drop of 2nd round}
    53.ATL Mason Raymond (51)
    54.CHI Dan Ryder (74)
    55.CLB Scott Jackson (37)
    56.NYR Ryan Stoa (34)
    57.MIN Tom Fritsche (47)
    58.CAR Matt Pelech (26) {Tied for biggest drop of 2nd round}
    59.PHO Tomas Popperle (131)
    60.LA Jonathan Sigalet (100)
    61.PIT Blair Jones (102)

    Players Chosen in the first two rounds who didn't make the cut:
    Joe Finley (27)
    Matt Niskanen (28)
    Michael Sauer (40)
    Justin Abdelkader (42)
    Phil Gogulla (48)
    Chad Denny (49)
    Dany Roussin (50)
    Chris Durand (52)
    Andrew Kozek (53)
    Adam McQuaid (55)
    Matt Kassian (57)
    Nate Hagemo (58)
    Pier-Olivier Pelletier (59)
    T.J. Fast (60)
    Michael Gergen (61)
     
  19. Lunatik*

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    the previous year the caps finished tied with every other team in the league at 0-0-0
     
  20. boredmale

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    lets not forget who they got in 2004 because of that crappy record of theres
     
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    Ignorance has forced you to boot Michael Sauer out I see.
     
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    and how did Hanzal drop?
     
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    Explanations please.....I don't really agree with these players being chosen so high....
     
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  24. Irish Blues

    Irish Blues Present once again

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    T.J. Oshie went 21-24-45 in his freshman year playing 2nd line on a deep UND team while Andrew Cogliano was only 12-16-28 in 5 fewer games at Michigan; this year, Cogliano is 15-11-26 playing 2nd lineon a deep UM team while Oshie is 6-14-20 playing a lot of 1st line and having played through a broken thumb. You drop Oshie from 24th to 29th, while Cogliano jumps from 25th to 7th. :rolleyes: I'd really like to see the reasoning behind this.

    I'd also like to see some kind of explanation why Taylor Chorney is ahead of Oshie, too - because that one is equally as baffling. And some of these guys ... holy overrated, Batman! Downie at 4? LeTang at 14? Franzen at 26? Tom Pyatt at 23? I think you're putting way too much stock in the recent WJC with some of these guys.
     
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    For the doubters, why just not put up your rankings instead of criticizing the only guy with enough courage to go at it?
     

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