The Habs are a lucky bunch. I would kill for the Sens to grab this dude. Has number one defenceman written all over him.
RD PK Subban (2007, 43rd, MTL)
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Some (not me) say that this kid won't make it as an NHL d-man because they don't think he can handle the defensive aspect. Well if I'm Montreal and I decide he can't make it on the blueline, my next move would be to throw him on the wing. He has an amazing array of offensive moves based off the half-wall or coming out of the corner, and he can really hold guys off down low.
''C'' = how close a prospect is to being ready to play in the NHL. For example a prospect with an ''A'' rating is seen as ready for the pros. The ratings of potential is the number (8.0-9.0).
These critics are from his draft day that have followed him today even though hes not the same player anymore. His game is comparable to Dan Boyle or Mike Green but he's stronger physically than both. Im not saying that he will reach that level but its the same style.
In this new era of the game, you will need thse types of D like Keith, Boyle, Green, Campbell, Rafalski, Streit in your team. They will help your transition greatly, take good decisions with the puck, carry the puck out of the zone and boost your offense. Its a new brand of D, get used to it. For the record, PK is very good in his zone.
Keith does not belong in that list. He is EXCELLENT defensively. Subban is nothing like him.
I wasnt putting them in the "BAD defensively" category, its more about their style. BTW Subban will surprise a few with his defensive play in the future.
I didn't say that list was a 'bad on D', just pointing out that Keith doesn't fit the category. He's far more defensively capable than anyone in that list. He's among the best in the league. Subban is good defensively, but his issue is positional play...which can be taught.
I think the Dan Boyle comparison is a good one. Just because his style doesnt fit the mold of d-men. Mark Streit is proving his critics wrong. I just dont get the disdain for these types of d-men.
Hunter Gathers
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No... The C rating is the likely hood of them hitting that number potential.
With a C rating, the player can possibly fall down two spots number wise.
montreal
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I would think that he could see a couple games next year depending on injuries and other intangables.
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2-3 years i'm going to guess. next year ahl and possibly the year after he makes it, but if they decide he needs to work on his d he could easily be 3 yrs away instead.
It won't happen..but let's just say PK Subban went back into the draft
....where would he likely go?
Is it safe to assume he'd be a top 10 pick?
It's very unlikely it'd happen..and I'm hoping it won't. But what if?
Sorry if this has already been discussed.
....where would he likely go?
Is it safe to assume he'd be a top 10 pick?
It's very unlikely it'd happen..and I'm hoping it won't. But what if?
Sorry if this has already been discussed.
I take it you haven't seen him a play much lately. His defensive game is excellent due to his good positioning and great skating. He just doesn't get beat 1-on-1.
A 6'0" 200 pounds D-Man that is second in the OHL in PPG amongst D would probably be a top-10 pick yes.
Brock
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In the history of the draft, re-entries, even the incredibly talented ones (like Subban) tend to not go incredibly high.
If you want a perfect example to compare by, take a look at Jarret Stoll. Was a comparable prospect to Subban, was a 2nd round pick originally, played in 2 WJC's for Canada (captaining one of them), won a Memorial Cup championship as captain, put up outstanding stats in the WHL.
Yet...as a re-entry was only an early 2nd round selection.
The early 2nd round is probably where I'd peg him.
If you want a perfect example to compare by, take a look at Jarret Stoll. Was a comparable prospect to Subban, was a 2nd round pick originally, played in 2 WJC's for Canada (captaining one of them), won a Memorial Cup championship as captain, put up outstanding stats in the WHL.
Yet...as a re-entry was only an early 2nd round selection.
The early 2nd round is probably where I'd peg him.
johnny canuckistan
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I agree with Brock, he was drafted in the 2nd round and he'll likely stay there. GM's have an unwritten rule that they never re-draft a player higher than he was originally taken. For the discouragement of the others...
Starscream
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I was just comming to post that he would probably go late first early second round, and use Stoll as an example.
It's just a code of respect between GMs.
I guess Lawton would pick Subban with his 2nd overall
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Granted, it only takes one GM to think of him highly enough to take him.
That said, one of the other issues that tends to drive redraftees stock down a bit is that the 18-year olds are still viewed through the prism of development while a 20-year old has less potential, more factual evidence of their play. Not that it means a hill of beans if the 18-year old does not tear the lid off his development, but it is a factor in the drafting gamble.
That said, one of the other issues that tends to drive redraftees stock down a bit is that the 18-year olds are still viewed through the prism of development while a 20-year old has less potential, more factual evidence of their play. Not that it means a hill of beans if the 18-year old does not tear the lid off his development, but it is a factor in the drafting gamble.
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