RD PK Subban (2007, 43rd, MTL)

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I fell in love with this kid during the WJC's. I think he's gonna be something special. He can skate, hit, makes good passes, can shoot, doesn't turn it over too much... Pair him with someone who can make up for his defensive shortcomings and he'll look even better.
 

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I never ever said that he wouldn't be a solid NHL player or that he won't develop the quintessential puck moving skills that you all seem to see in him. I am just saying the Brian Campbell comparisons are very high and in my opinion he isn't the next brian campbell. That being said, read my other posts, he has great tools who is in his last year in the O, I expect him to do well. Also, I am not afraid to admit taht I was wrong about his shot it is very quick but approaching triple digits? idk about that. I do like his aggressiveness and competitiveness and he has gotten better every year and I did say he is a 2nd round steal at this point in his development. I just don't know, and you all don't eihter, how well his current game will translate to the NHL. THe guy who said he saw over a 100 games becuase of his proximity to the BUlls, I say you may be influenced by your obvious love for the BUlls. I wasn't assigned to follow Subban, but I ddi watch the WJC games again and he doesn't strike me as this amazing player you all seem to think he will become. I am just stating my opinion and you are entitled to yours. The style on the PP he played at the wjc do you not think that would look good as a froward? I am saying think about it I am saying nothing absurd.
I might be biased but im not blinded by it and admit stuff like he's reckless, etc, etc. Im not a fan of some of the Bulls on the team and ill admit he was terrible defensively in the year he was drafted. But he's improved alot as leafmon said. I never said he would be an amazing player, but you said "did you see him try to move the puck???". So your saying he's a bad puck mover which is far from true. And yes his shot is close to triple digits. I know a few of the Bulls and they've let me know it has hit 98 in training camp.

Were just using Campbell to compare styles, not necessarily his full potential.
 

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I might be biased but im not blinded by it and admit stuff like he's reckless, etc, etc. Im not a fan of some of the Bulls on the team and ill admit he was terrible defensively in the year he was drafted. But he's improved alot as leafmon said. I never said he would be an amazing player, but you said "did you see him try to move the puck???". So your saying he's a bad puck mover which is far from true. And yes his shot is close to triple digits. I know a few of the Bulls and they've let me know it has hit 98 in training camp.

Were just using Campbell to compare styles, not necessarily his full potential.

What are the other etc.'s that you have? I talked to a NHL gm last night and asked for what he thought about the wjc. He said he doesn't take too mcuh stock in it and then he listed some playeres he was impressed by, even the drafted ones. He never mentioned Subban so I brought him up and he said that Subban has nice wheels and is tough, but he doubts PK will ever become more than a 3rd pairing d man because he is not overly big and doesn't play within his skills at all times and DOES NOT MOVE THE PUCK EFFECTIVELY FOR SOMEONE SEEN AS AN OFFENSIVE DEFENSEMAN. HE NEVER MENTIONED HIM BEING EVEN A PP QB. He only said that Subban isn't scared, but that for him has been seen as a recklessness which will be hard to harness. However, I did think that he was wrong about one thing, Subban is placed in a great situation in Montreal. He will be given every chance to succeed because of the philosophy there and he will make the NHL, but if a NHL gm doubts him and doesn't even think he was one of the best players at the junior level idk.
 

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What are the other etc.'s that you have? I talked to a NHL gm last night and asked for what he thought about the wjc. He said he doesn't take too mcuh stock in it and then he listed some playeres he was impressed by, even the drafted ones. He never mentioned Subban so I brought him up and he said that Subban has nice wheels and is tough, but he doubts PK will ever become more than a 3rd pairing d man because he is not overly big and doesn't play within his skills at all times and DOES NOT MOVE THE PUCK EFFECTIVELY FOR SOMEONE SEEN AS AN OFFENSIVE DEFENSEMAN. HE NEVER MENTIONED HIM BEING EVEN A PP QB. He only said that Subban isn't scared, but that for him has been seen as a recklessness which will be hard to harness. However, I did think that he was wrong about one thing, Subban is placed in a great situation in Montreal. He will be given every chance to succeed because of the philosophy there and he will make the NHL, but if a NHL gm doubts him and doesn't even think he was one of the best players at the junior level idk.
I honestly could care less what that NHL GM thinks. Both Bob Gainey and Timmins love him, and that is all that matters for P.K. Ive seen him more than they (the GM you talked to) have and if he doesn't put much stock into the tourney then why does he think those things. He clearly doesn't see him too often. Crisp, tape-to-tape passes tend to be solid puckmoving qualities. Oh and the overly big comment? Funny...he might not be the tallest guy in the world but he is built solid. Look at Francis Boullion on Montreal. 5"8 but solid as hell. Subban is built the same way but taller and he can make some huge hits.

"He only said that Subban isn't scared, but that for him has been seen as a recklessness which will be hard to harness."

This quote right here proves how little he knows about Subban. P.K. has gone on record and proven to be less "reckless" in games on larger stages. In Belleville, he is encouraged to rush the puck and has improved so greatly in that aspect. When he goes to the AHL, Don Lever will work with him and P.K. is the type of guy who will listen to anyone because he wants it that badly.
 

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I honestly could care less what that NHL GM thinks. Both Bob Gainey and Timmins love him, and that is all that matters for P.K. Ive seen him more than they (the GM you talked to) have and if he doesn't put much stock into the tourney then why does he think those things. He clearly doesn't see him too often. Crisp, tape-to-tape passes tend to be solid puckmoving qualities. Oh and the overly big comment? Funny...he might not be the tallest guy in the world but he is built solid. Look at Francis Boullion on Montreal. 5"8 but solid as hell. Subban is built the same way but taller and he can make some huge hits.

"He only said that Subban isn't scared, but that for him has been seen as a recklessness which will be hard to harness."

This quote right here proves how little he knows about Subban. P.K. has gone on record and proven to be less "reckless" in games on larger stages. In Belleville, he is encouraged to rush the puck and has improved so greatly in that aspect. When he goes to the AHL, Don Lever will work with him and P.K. is the type of guy who will listen to anyone because he wants it that badly.

Are you saying you know more than a NHL gm? do you work in the NHL? do you work for the OHL? I said I disagreed wiht him on one thing and said that PK Subban is put in a great situation. I want you to read my post again, and tell me taht I did not agree with you on that. Also, small d men can make it in this league I truly believe that and Subban is not small he is just not that big. Bouillion is a 2nd or 3rd pairing d man. This GM's analysis doesn't seem to be too wrong then. Subban has the ability to dominate the OHL because of his age, speed, and competitiveness. There will be a learning curve for him and there is no gurantee that he will be able to fix what some see as his recklessness. A montreal fan in fact may not want him to fix it, but I am saying that may be he is coachable but being coachable doesn't gurantee ****. Subban has nice ability but I still do not believe taht he will be an over effective d man, I need to spell it out for you, I think he will be a NHL player but he will not be an overly effective one. May be he will be effective but from the sounds of this thread I do not think a lot of your analysis is correct. Being a good junior player means ****.
 

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Great offensive potential. Needs a lot of help in the d zone still. But with Francis Bouillon, Mathieu Dandenault, Michael Komisarek, and Patrice Brisebois all pending UFA's. (Komisarek will definitely be resigned, not sure about the rest) and with not a lot of depth at the d position, plus with the teams struggling powerplay, i could see him making the canadians as a third pairing pp specialist guy next year. (I can see him providing the offence, and shawn belle providing the defence on montreal's 3rd pairing next year.)
 

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What are the other etc.'s that you have? I talked to a NHL gm last night and asked for what he thought about the wjc. He said he doesn't take too mcuh stock in it and then he listed some playeres he was impressed by, even the drafted ones. He never mentioned Subban so I brought him up and he said that Subban has nice wheels and is tough, but he doubts PK will ever become more than a 3rd pairing d man because he is not overly big and doesn't play within his skills at all times and DOES NOT MOVE THE PUCK EFFECTIVELY FOR SOMEONE SEEN AS AN OFFENSIVE DEFENSEMAN. HE NEVER MENTIONED HIM BEING EVEN A PP QB. He only said that Subban isn't scared, but that for him has been seen as a recklessness which will be hard to harness. However, I did think that he was wrong about one thing, Subban is placed in a great situation in Montreal. He will be given every chance to succeed because of the philosophy there and he will make the NHL, but if a NHL gm doubts him and doesn't even think he was one of the best players at the junior level idk.

I'D like to know who that was so we could review his spotless drafting powers.
Bottom line is PK was a second rounder who has done nothing but improve year after year to the point he was one of Can top D in the WJC.
Doesn't put much stock in it......well he must be on a short list cause the WJC is the chance to take your game against the best and to use Kane as a example don't you think scouts were watching to see a guy two years younger then most continue to get better and better as each game went by. Many times the WJC shows the role a player will have when they reach the NHL and I think PK DID JUST FINE.
 

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I'D like to know who that was so we could review his spotless drafting powers.
Bottom line is PK was a second rounder who has done nothing but improve year after year to the point he was one of Can top D in the WJC.
Doesn't put much stock in it......well he must be on a short list cause the WJC is the chance to take your game against the best and to use Kane as a example don't you think scouts were watching to see a guy two years younger then most continue to get better and better as each game went by. Many times the WJC shows the role a player will have when they reach the NHL and I think PK DID JUST FINE.
Leafmon isn't even a Bulls or Habs fan...so you want a unbiased analysis..there it is.
 

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Are you saying you know more than a NHL gm? do you work in the NHL? do you work for the OHL? I said I disagreed wiht him on one thing and said that PK Subban is put in a great situation. I want you to read my post again, and tell me taht I did not agree with you on that. Also, small d men can make it in this league I truly believe that and Subban is not small he is just not that big. Bouillion is a 2nd or 3rd pairing d man. This GM's analysis doesn't seem to be too wrong then. Subban has the ability to dominate the OHL because of his age, speed, and competitiveness. There will be a learning curve for him and there is no gurantee that he will be able to fix what some see as his recklessness. A montreal fan in fact may not want him to fix it, but I am saying that may be he is coachable but being coachable doesn't gurantee ****. Subban has nice ability but I still do not believe taht he will be an over effective d man, I need to spell it out for you, I think he will be a NHL player but he will not be an overly effective one. May be he will be effective but from the sounds of this thread I do not think a lot of your analysis is correct. Being a good junior player means ****.
Thing is..you say he will be decent in the NHL but then you go on to knock him in most of the categories. His shot is not great, his puckmoving isnt good enough, he can't become a PP QB, his speed wont get him far in the NHL.

My analysis is a heck of alot closer than yours. You didn't even think he had a good shot..my lord.
 

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I might be biased but im not blinded by it and admit stuff like he's reckless, etc, etc. Im not a fan of some of the Bulls on the team and ill admit he was terrible defensively in the year he was drafted. But he's improved alot as leafmon said. I never said he would be an amazing player, but you said "did you see him try to move the puck???". So your saying he's a bad puck mover which is far from true. And yes his shot is close to triple digits. I know a few of the Bulls and they've let me know it has hit 98 in training camp.

Were just using Campbell to compare styles, not necessarily his full potential.



Using Campbell as an example...he was a 6th round pick in 1997 ( could you predict what kind of Dman he would be 2008??? ) It took him 6 years before he even got 20 pts in a season !! So how can anyone be totally sure how an 18 year old will develop. Being in the right place with good coaching can make a huge difference in how they develop as a pro.
 

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Using Campbell as an example...he was a 6th round pick in 1997 ( could you predict what kind of Dman he would be 2008??? ) It took him 6 years before he even got 20 pts in a season !! So how can anyone be totally sure how an 18 year old will develop. Being in the right place with good coaching can make a huge difference in how they develop as a pro.
Read. As in styles..not there freaking potential or how they reached it. Campbell and Green are two common comparisons with P.K.
 

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I asked my company if I could follow Subban now and I have seen some of his game tape from Belleville. I will agree with amyn of you about his shot and character. However, I still don't see how he can re model his game to become a prettty effecitve defenseman in teh show. I have said though that he is a great pick in teh second round of a weak draft and has nice tools. THe development of thsi prospect will be extremely intrigugin. I see more of a Mark Streit in this guy except Subban is more physical and streit is a better puck mover. If Subban ever reaches Streit's all star level than the canadiens have made a great pcik. Now I sitll agree with the GM i talekd to taht he may never reach that and will isntead be a 3rd pairing d man, but his potential is high.
 

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Read. As in styles..not there freaking potential or how they reached it. Campbell and Green are two common comparisons with P.K.

LOL.. I was trying to support your efforts with P.K. It was meant toward " ILOVESTAAL"

What I was trying to say was that it takes many years to develop and to say that someone at 19 can never develop beyond what they show now is crazy.... Scouts never thought Mike Green would ever develop to what he is today or they would have taken him top 5.
 

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LOL.. I was trying to support your efforts with P.K. It was meant toward " ILOVESTAAL"

What I was trying to say was that it takes many years to develop and to say that someone at 19 can never develop beyond what they show now is crazy.... Scouts never thought Mike Green would ever develop to what he is today or they would have taken him top 5.
ah ok thought you were saying I couldn't predict he'd become a defenseman similiar to Green or Campbell.

Was just comparing playing styles. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

And ILOVESTAAL...I agree with most of the points in your last post. Imagine that.
 

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who cares what any of you think? he belongs to the habs, was drafted by the habs, was a huge hab fan growing up - and we'll be happy to watch him develop - or not
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kostitsyn1489

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Interview with P.K. Subban, need your help.

I'm going to interview P.K. probably next week and I need your help.

I've got quite a bit of questions already, but if you've got some just post them here.

Also as it'll be by phone and I need advise to record it. I've got a recorder and I need to make some sound test before, but if you've got any tips it would be great too. I guess I'll have to use 2 phones, one to talk and one to record.

Anyway, thanks!
 

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What was up with the big hug he gave to Eugene Melnyk?

He was seen as Canada's best Defenseman in regards to his play in his own zone, even though he was billed as being mostly an Offensive guy. What did he change in the tournament that helped him play a solid game in his own zone?


BTW, you may want to contemplate using something like Skype if you're doing the two phones thing. You can probably just buy 10 bucks worth of credit, and have VLC record your mic output and the audio output from skype. I would test it first though, because I'm not sure if the recording would interfere with some of the audio channels on your PC though, but it sounds more practical than the phone thing.

EDIT: Actually now that I've looked into it, there are some programs that can specifically record skype conversations. ex: http://www.skyperec.com/index.htm
Haven't tested it myself so use at your own caution.
 
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Skilled guy for sure, but this melody was used before in the Datsyuk Music Video...

actually fort minor's kind of a youtube favorite.. and every stinkin' last one of the video creators think they're genius for coming up with their use..

its almost as bad as the obligatory "dream on" aerosmith ones:cry:
 

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