Raymond/Edvinsson vs Sanderson/Eklund

[better Red than Dead]

According to one sports book, Bovada, Lucas Raymond has the 2nd best odds to win the Calder behind Cole Caufield. Seider is 5th. Wow


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Odds to win the 2022 Calder Trophy: (Bovada) Cole Caufield +115 Lucas Raymond +225 Vasily Podkolzin +400 Nick Robertson +400 Moritz Seider +1200 Quinton Byfield +1600 Trevor Zegras +2000 Jamie Drysdale +2000 #NHLTwitter #NHL #Hockey #gamblingtwitter #sportsbetting

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

According to one sports book, Bovada, Lucas Raymond has the 2nd best odds to win the Calder behind Cole Caufield. Seider is 5th. Wow


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Odds to win the 2022 Calder Trophy: (Bovada) Cole Caufield +115 Lucas Raymond +225 Vasily Podkolzin +400 Nick Robertson +400 Moritz Seider +1200 Quinton Byfield +1600 Trevor Zegras +2000 Jamie Drysdale +2000 #NHLTwitter #NHL #Hockey #gamblingtwitter #sportsbetting

Yeah, it's been discussed. We believe they're looking for suckers to bet on Raymond as a "sure thing". Then they run to the bank when he's only getting a cup of coffee this year.

 

[better Red than Dead]

Yeah, it's been discussed. We believe they're looking for suckers to bet on Raymond as a "sure thing". Then they run to the bank when he's only getting a cup of coffee this year.

Must be.

 

[Ricelund]

Seider at +1200 seems like a good bet to make…

 

[19 for president]

Seider at +1200 seems like a good bet to make…

I agree. He has the physicality to his game that will get him noticed even if he isn't the D leader in points. I could see a Zetterberg vs. Barret Jackman kind of race. I don't see any of those forwards that scream I'm going to come in and put up 50+ points to run away with it.

I highly doubt Raymond makes the team full time. I see late season callups but I think Berggren has the better chance of the two.

 

[Ricelund]

Seider at +1200 seems like a good bet to make…

I agree. He has the physicality to his game that will get him noticed even if he isn't the D leader in points. I could see a Zetterberg vs. Barret Jackman kind of race. I don't see any of those forwards that scream I'm going to come in and put up 50+ points to run away with it.

I highly doubt Raymond makes the team full time. I see late season callups but I think Berggren has the better chance of the two.

I put $100 on Seider through Bovada.

 

[golffuul]

I put $100 on Seider through Bovada.

Hope you win. Those are amazing odds.

 

[Bench]

I put $100 on Seider through Bovada.

Money, meet mouth.

I think your only real concern is Cole Caufield lighting it up. That's a hell of a good bet.

 

[Northwing19]

Damn I might lay down $500

 

[Bench]

Damn I might lay down $500

I never gamble but not going to lie at these odds I suddenly feel compelled.

I guess I could even hedge on Caufield since I think it's a two horse race.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Money, meet mouth.

I think your only real concern is Cole Caufield lighting it up. That's a hell of a good bet.

I know his team isn't all that dangerous, but Zegras is still hanging out there at +1000. That could be a scary proposition if he pops. I think it's probably a 3 horse race, because for every question mark about Zegras' team has, Seider's has the same. Hell even Spencer Knight could be dangerous if Bob drags ass this year. I just envision Bob opening the door and Knight kicks it in.

 

[Bench]

I know his team isn't all that dangerous, but Zegras is still hanging out there at +1000. That could be a scary proposition if he pops. I think it's probably a 3 horse race, because for every question mark about Zegras' team has, Seider's has the same. Hell even Spencer Knight could be dangerous if Bob drags ass this year. I just envision Bob opening the door and Knight kicks it in.

These are all great reasons I never gamble. This is the dialogue of my inner anxiety, even if it's a sum I could afford to lose.

 

[Ricelund]

These are all great reasons I never gamble. This is the dialogue of my inner anxiety, even if it's a sum I could afford to lose.

Yeah, I’ve never really been a gambler either but this is a fun bet to make.

 

[Hen Kolland]

These are all great reasons I never gamble. This is the dialogue of my inner anxiety, even if it's a sum I could afford to lose.

I bet a very small amount on Hideki Matsuyama to win the Masters this year at +3300 and this gave me so much unbridled, undeserved confidence that I’ve gone on to lose probably 95% of every bet since, no matter how much confidence I have in it. To the point where I really just stopped betting on everything.

Now when football starts up, it’ll be a bit more difficult. My fear with betting on Seider here…not to kick Ricelund in the balls on anything but…how much do we actually trust the NHL to reward a player whose impact will largely be felt defensively? How many times have we talked about how the Norris or Selke doesn’t value defense as much as it should considering the supposed history of the award? That would scare me a good amount

 

[Ricelund]

My fear with betting on Seider here…not to kick Ricelund in the balls on anything but…how much do we actually trust the NHL to reward a player whose impact will largely be felt defensively? How many times have we talked about how the Norris or Selke doesn’t value defense as much as it should considering the supposed history of the award? That would scare me a good amount

Yeah, it’s definitely a long shot but I think he has a solid chance. He’s excelled almost immediately at every level and he’s stepping onto a team where he has a chance at being the #1 defenseman out of the gate. If he logs big minutes and the Wings are competitive, I can see him getting some Calder buzz for sure.

 

[Ricelund]

I know his team isn't all that dangerous, but Zegras is still hanging out there at +1000. That could be a scary proposition if he pops. I think it's probably a 3 horse race, because for every question mark about Zegras' team has, Seider's has the same. Hell even Spencer Knight could be dangerous if Bob drags ass this year. I just envision Bob opening the door and Knight kicks it in.

I put $50 on Zegras at +1000. He’s now the favorite at +125…

 

[lilidk]

Raymond > Eklund
Edvinsson > Sanderson.

Not hard.

Next season Raymond needs to prove that he is better than Eklund, at this point I am not sure

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

I bet a very small amount on Hideki Matsuyama to win the Masters this year at +3300 and this gave me so much unbridled, undeserved confidence that I’ve gone on to lose probably 95% of every bet since, no matter how much confidence I have in it. To the point where I really just stopped betting on everything.

Now when football starts up, it’ll be a bit more difficult. My fear with betting on Seider here…not to kick Ricelund in the balls on anything but…how much do we actually trust the NHL to reward a player whose impact will largely be felt defensively? How many times have we talked about how the Norris or Selke doesn’t value defense as much as it should considering the supposed history of the award? That would scare me a good amount

That's in part why the payout is so large.
I'm thinking of putting a hundred on Seider but I will wait till just before the season starts. Make sure he isn't injured and I don't think the odds will change much till then.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Next season Raymond needs to prove that he is better than Eklund, at this point I am not sure

I mean he will, but I truly don’t understand where this doubt is coming from.

 

[HisNoodliness]

I mean he will, but I truly don’t understand where this doubt is coming from.

I think it's a very reasonable debate. Eklund is younger and producing better. When I watch them do I think Raymond has better skills and does better on the eye test? Yes, but it's pretty reasonable to prefer the guy that's producing better

 

[lilidk]

I mean he will, but I truly don’t understand where this doubt is coming from.

It's from what I saw from Eklund last season. I liked a lot both Edvinsson and Raymond, but I just liked Eklund so much. For me he was #1 last draft

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

It's from what I saw from Eklund last season. I liked a lot both Edvinsson and Raymond, but I just liked Eklund so much. For me he was #1 last draft

Sure, same. I was extremely disappointed we didn’t take him, I watched a lot of the SHL last season, that said, Raymond is still a better prospect than Eklund.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I mean he will, but I truly don’t understand where this doubt is coming from.

I think they're both very comparable as prospect, which seems to be a very unpopular opinion on these boards, but I believe I've heard a couple Athletic podcasts, Goran Stubb and Craig Button also say as much. When I watched Eklund he had the kind of season that I hoped Raymond would have but if both are in the AHL next year then Raymond in GR and Eklund on the Barricuda could be fun to watch and give us a better idea of what each player can be.

Right now, to me, they both look like they could have similar impacts at the NHL level. At worst I think they're William Nylander or Nikolaj Ehlers level wingers; Legit top 6 wingers good for 60ish points a season but are the 2nd best players on their lines. At best I think they're 70-80 guys that are the drivers on their lines. Raymond is a little more puck dominant as a playmaker so he'd be good on a line with a guy that is better as a set shooter like Zadina. Eklund is probably a little more dual threat as a goal scorer so I can see him doing better on a line with a guy like Berggren that can also make plays.

Although I preferred Eklund to Edvinsson I can see the reasoning behind the pick and have become a much bigger fan after seeing Edvinsson is going to be 1st pair in the SHL this year. I still think that New Jersey and Columbus were downright idiotic for passing on Eklund AND Edvinsson for Hughes and Johnson, though.

 

[lilidk]

Sure, same. I was extremely disappointed we didn’t take him, I watched a lot of the SHL last season, that said, Raymond is still a better prospect than Eklund.

For not many games I watched Eklund and Holtz last year, my observation was Holtz could not be productive without Eklund. Eklund it's kinda like Aho in Carolina, something Red Wings really need

 

[MBH]

I think they're both very comparable as prospect, which seems to be a very unpopular opinion on these boards, but I believe I've heard a couple Athletic podcasts, Goran Stubb and Craig Button also say as much. When I watched Eklund he had the kind of season that I hoped Raymond would have but if both are in the AHL next year then Raymond in GR and Eklund on the Barricuda could be fun to watch and give us a better idea of what each player can be.

Right now, to me, they both look like they could have similar impacts at the NHL level. At worst I think they're William Nylander or Nikolaj Ehlers level wingers; Legit top 6 wingers good for 60ish points a season but are the 2nd best players on their lines. At best I think they're 70-80 guys that are the drivers on their lines. Raymond is a little more puck dominant as a playmaker so he'd be good on a line with a guy that is better as a set shooter like Zadina. Eklund is probably a little more dual threat as a goal scorer so I can see him doing better on a line with a guy like Berggren that can also make plays.

Although I preferred Eklund to Edvinsson I can see the reasoning behind the pick and have become a much bigger fan after seeing Edvinsson is going to be 1st pair in the SHL this year. I still think that New Jersey and Columbus were downright idiotic for passing on Eklund AND Edvinsson for Hughes and Johnson, though.

If we'd drafted Hughes and Johnson, you'd be all about them, is my guess.
Hughes as great potential.
Johnson is bit more iffy, but I think he has more development room than Beniers and could be the kind of guy who drives offense for years to come.