Rantanen vs. Nylander

[bsu]

Rantanen

ps. it's funny seeing all the names that voted for Nylander lol.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

If Rantanen was in a bigger market. I don't think this poll would be that close. Colorado is not a team many see other than Avs fans. This guy is so skilled, so big, so good defensively and wins battles in corners that Nylander wish he could. It's really hard to make an argument that a team would pass on him to take Nylander. Nylander is good but Rantanen is better, and still has more room for growth being drafted a year earlier.

Every time I see him, he just blows me away how good he is.

Here's 2 of his 3 points points from last night.

 

[Morgs]

I love when HF posters bring up career numbers for active players, especially kids who are still just starting off

Lol u srs? Career numbers are basically 2016-2018 for these two.

 

[cgf]

Do you have a different method? I'm sure you can post something of significance instead of throwing up a laughing face.

You seem to be implying that posting the career stats of two children is of any significance and that pointing out how silly doing so is, is not...which is weird. Does the stupidity of using career #s for kids really need to be explained to you, or are you just being intentionally dense?

 

[Deadly Dogma]

If Rantanen was in a bigger market. I don't think this poll would be that close. Colorado is not a team many see other than Avs fans. This guy is so skilled, so big, so good defensively and wins battles in corners that Nylander wish he could. It's really hard to make an argument that a team would pass on him to take Nylander. Nylander is good but Rantanen is better, and still has more room for growth being drafted a year earlier.

Every time I see him, he just blows me away how good he is.

Here's 2 of his 3 points points from last night.

Rants is good but I still prefer Nylander.
If Matthews PP unit was producing then their points would be close.
I prefer Nylander's ability to maintain possession.
Plus I am not 100% sure Rant has a better shot. Nylander also has a laser.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Career numbers:

Nylander: 59.6 points / 82 games
Rantanen: 54.2 points / 82 games

Can you really blame Nylander for playing 84 minutes less on the PP this season alone?

Idk you seem pretty willing to blame Rantanen for playing 84 minutes more, so why not?

 

[Morgs]

Idk you seem pretty willing to blame Rantanen for playing 84 minutes more, so why not?

Or, I'm just trying to put context into his 10 extra points. Maybe we should just call Rantanen a PP specialist like everyone did last year with Nylander (when Will also had better 5v5 numbers last year too).

Oh wait.... his numbers on the PP this year aren't as good as Nylander's last year. Maybe he's just not as good?

 

[Zamuz]

Oh wait.... his numbers on the PP this year aren't as good as Nylander's last year. Maybe he's just not as good?

Maybe we wait until season is over? Nylander got 26PPP in 82 games, Rantanen has so far 23 in 58. Oh and also wait for his complete 5v5 production until he has played the last regular season game? Btw Rantanen is on pace for 78 points, pretty sure he will smash any point records done by Nylander in 16-17 so please just stop.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

This poll really shows how many Leaf fans there are Per every NHL fan,

23 Leaf fans Per 58 NHL Non-Leaf fans.

That’s a lot of Leaf fans, good on em. Keep pounding those numbers guy.

But for real how can a younger, much larger(30 pounds heavier and 5 inches taller) player with 10 more points(5 more goals) in 4 less games, with better puck possession stats(both better Corsi and Fenwick) and who has been our scoring the other player on every level of they’re career..

I really must ask, what in any way shape or form makes Nylander any better in any way.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

If i had to choose between the two i'd toss a coin

Or i would if i wasn't Finnish.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Or, I'm just trying to put context into his 10 extra points. Maybe we should just call Rantanen a PP specialist like everyone did last year with Nylander (when Will also had better 5v5 numbers last year too).

Or maybe we could just say Nylander sucks on the PP by comparison after peaking last season. We could say a lot of silly things.

 

[Morgs]

Maybe we wait until season is over? Nylander got 26PPP in 82 games, Rantanen has so far 23 in 58. Oh and also wait for his complete 5v5 production until he has played the last regular season game?

Sure raw stats are nice, but they're also due to opportunity and nobody is looking at context. Nylander on any team that likes using their stars (shot at you Babs) would have just as much PP time as a guy like Rantanen because I'm in the camp of "play your best players".

I also highly doubt Rantanen can match Nylander's 8.48 PP p60 last season. Sure Nylander "only" put up 26PPP, but Rantanen through 58 games has already played 24 more PP minutes than Willy did in 81 games last season.

 

[Morgs]

This poll really shows how many Leaf fans there are Per every NHL fan,

23 Leaf fans Per 58 NHL Non-Leaf fans.

That’s a lot of Leaf fans, good on em. Keep pounding those numbers guy.

But for real how can a younger, much larger(30 pounds heavier and 5 inches taller) player with 10 more points(5 more goals) in 4 less games, with better puck possession stats(both better Corsi and Fenwick) and who has been our scoring the other player on every level of they’re career..

I really must ask, what in any way shape or form makes Nylander any better in any way.

Rantanen vs. Nylander

Rantanen has put up more points in more opportunity. Nylander has made better use of his "limited" minutes.

 

[ImpartialNHLfan]

This poll really shows how many Leaf fans there are Per every NHL fan,

23 Leaf fans Per 58 NHL Non-Leaf fans.

That’s a lot of Leaf fans, good on em. Keep pounding those numbers guy.
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There is a lot of leaf fans. But don't count out the fins, they are more passionate/hardcore then most for there homegrown players.

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

Rantanen vs. Nylander

Rantanen has put up more points in more opportunity. Nylander has made better use of his "limited" minutes.

Yeah, definitely worth using the last season against Rantanen... you forgot how much Avs sucked? Nylander wouldn't have scored even near the points he scored in the last season if we imagine him playing for the Avs.

 

[naruto]

Nylander. Better at almost everything. Except rantanen is better at getting his coach to give him more pp time to pad his stats since he cant handle 5v5 time. Reminds me of another finn actually. Cough cough.

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

Nylander. Better at almost everything. Except rantanen is better at getting his coach to give him more pp time to pad his stats since he cant handle 5v5 time. Reminds me of another finn actually. Cough cough.

He can't handle 5v5 time, yet his advanced stats are superior compared to Nylander's? If you think he plays like Laine then you haven't watched him play a second lol.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

There is a lot of leaf fans. But don't count out the fins, they are more passionate/hardcore then most for there homegrown players.

Rantanen has never, to me at least, seemed like a golden boy for Finnish fans. They seem to prefer others like Aho and Laine

 

[Morgs]

Yeah, definitely worth using the last season against Rantanen... you forgot how much Avs sucked? Nylander wouldn't have scored even near the points he scored in the last season if we imagine him playing for the Avs.

So we're just going to ignore it then, and claim that because he's had one very good PP season (during MacKinnon's breakout) he's obviously better than Nylander? ... who was better last season overall, and better on the PP last season than Rantanan has been this season? Oh and Nylander has always been the better 5v5 guy.

 

[naruto]

He can't handle 5v5 time, yet his advanced stats are superior compared to Nylander's? If you think he plays like Laine then you haven't watched him play a second lol.

Nah rantanen is better than laine. Atleast he knows what his own end looks like. But still, hes overly dependent on pp for his points. I like my players to be able to hand 5v5 bc most of the game is 5v5.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

This seems like an impasse in the argument. It's either raw production, or points related to ice time (which it always seems to be in these leafs discussions, that or how ES points are ~1.5 times more valuable than PPP). Let's just move on.

 

[Hockeyisl1fe]

So we're just going to ignore it then, and claim that because he's had one very good PP season (during MacKinnon's breakout) he's obviously better than Nylander? ... who was better last season overall, and better on the PP last season than Rantanan has been this season? Oh and Nylander has always been the better 5v5 guy.

I haven't said he is obviously better than Nylander. Actually I think they're as close as it can get, imo a coin toss who will be better in their careers. But using Rants' rookie season can be ignored imo, although it's also worth noting that MacK has been super hot this season as you said. In a poll with Domi vs Rantanen I told one guy that Rantanen will be superior offensively to him... he keep on insisting that Rantanen is not that good offensively because he only scored 38pts. A half year later and well... looks like I was right.

 

[Morgs]

He can't handle 5v5 time, yet his advanced stats are superior compared to Nylander's? If you think he plays like Laine then you haven't watched him play a second lol.

All stats adjusted, relative to team in brackets

Nylander (2017-18)

TOIQoC: 29.47 (A level comp)
ZSR: 47.11 (lower means harder zone starts)
oiSH%: 12.2

CF%: 50.48 (+0.69)
xGF%: 50.39 (-0.13)
GF%: 66.85 (+17.14)

Rantanen (2017-18)

ToIQoC: 29.68 (A+ level comp)
ZSR: 57.04 (lower means harder zone starts)
oiSH%: 10.4

CF%: 50.09 (+2.34)
xGF%: 48.41 (+3.93)
GF%: 53.88 (+4.81)

 

[Morgs]

I haven't said he is obviously better than Nylander. Actually I think they're as close as it can get, imo a coin toss who will be better in their careers. But using Rants' rookie season can be ignored imo, although it's also worth noting that MacK has been super hot this season as you said. In a poll with Domi vs Rantanen I told one guy that Rantanen will be superior offensively to him... he keep on insisting that Rantanen is not that good offensively because he only scored 38pts. A half year later and well... looks like I was right.

That's a pretty easy bet though, let's be serious lol.

My opinion (and the way I interpret the stats) says Nylander > Rantanen, so obviously I gotta fight for my boy so people don't believe the nonsense. But like I said in my first post, I get why people could like Rantanen more.

 

[sadpanda]

I voted Rantanen even tho PP-points don't really matter