Rank the D-men from 2012 Draft

[HanSolo]

It's getting feisty in here.

right now as is its
Trouba/Lindholm
Maata/Rielly
Murray

Ceci

with Potential factored in IMO its
Trouba/Lindholm/Maata/Rielly
Murray
Ceci

No way Murray shouldn't be even with the other 5 if potential is factored in. He arguably has the highest potential of them all.

 

[NarcoPolo]

Lindholm
Trouba
Maatta
Murray/rielly
Ceci

Not the players I would take, in order, For my team moving forward, but the players who are better right now imo.

 

[bobbyt911]

It's getting feisty in here.


No way Murray shouldn't be even with the other 5 if potential is factored in. He arguably has the highest potential of them all.

IMO its the style of Murray's game , while impactually <just made that up lol is prob better doesn't have that flair that Trouba/Maata/Lindholm and Rielly do.
On that note Rielly is not getting any love for his insane progression in his weak areas. The kid is a perfectionist in that he recognized his defensive play was sub par last year so he has stepped up his D game drastically and purposely laid off of his offence. Later this year or next year I expect him to open up his game as long as Carlyle actually lets the kid play. It isn't fair to Rielly cuz the others are allowed to play to their full potential but Carlyle limits Rielly

 

[OrangeAndBlackMetal]

Order Id take them

Trouba
Maatta
Lindholm
Murray
Reilly
Ceci

 

[FlyTimmo]

Lindholm
Murray
Trouba
-gap-
Maatta
Rielly
-gap-
Ceci

 

[penguins2946*]

Lindholm
Murray
Trouba
-gap-
Maatta
Rielly
-gap-
Ceci

There is not a gap between Maatta, Lindholm and Trouba. He's right up there with those 2 in the battle for the best of the class.

 

[FlyTimmo]

There is not a gap between Maatta, Lindholm and Trouba. He's right up there with those 2 in the battle for the best of the class.

In overall play, I would agree. But when I look at the potential of these players, that is were I see the gap.

 

[Sojourn]

Lindholm and Trouba, to me, are 1a and 1b. Maatta is 2. Murray is 3(mostly because he's had difficulty staying healthy, as I think he's been better than Maatta).

Rielly and Ceci are definitely a step behind them.

I do think Rielly can join that top group, and he has as much potential as any of them, but he isn't there yet.

 

[JayKing]

Right now
Lindholm
Trouba
Määttä
Murray

Rielly
Ceci
Severson

Reinhart
Dumba

 

[Benjamin]

I dont many people realize how good Ceci has been in the NHL. He doesn't get a lot of love on HF. Not even talked about much.

 

[The Podium]

Trouba
Lindholm
Maatta

Murray
Rielly

Ceci
Severson

Dumba
Reinhart
Pouliot

 

[Sojourn]

I dont many people realize how good Ceci has been in the NHL. He doesn't get a lot of love on HF. Not even talked about much.

He's being ranked below Lindholm, Trouba, Murray, and Maatta. How is that not accurate?

 

[Binary Code]

Rielly is in no way below Ceci

again Rielly too low

top 5 is close


Ceci no Rielly yes

*cough* Homer *cough*

Rielly and Ceci are not in the same tier as the other 4. Like it or not.

 

[PhoenyX]

IMO its the style of Murray's game , while impactually <just made that up lol is prob better doesn't have that flair that Trouba/Maata/Lindholm and Rielly do.
On that note Rielly is not getting any love for his insane progression in his weak areas. The kid is a perfectionist in that he recognized his defensive play was sub par last year so he has stepped up his D game drastically and purposely laid off of his offence. Later this year or next year I expect him to open up his game as long as Carlyle actually lets the kid play. It isn't fair to Rielly cuz the others are allowed to play to their full potential but Carlyle limits Rielly

Maybe the coaching and management want him to just focus on defense this year? They know he has terrific offensive talent, and that will never disappear. The Ducks did a similar thing with Fowler - he had that great rookie season of 10g/40 points, but his defensive game needed a ton of work. The team basically spent the next two seasons getting him to round out his game and it worked wonders for Fowler as he is great at both ends of the ice now. I honestly didn't think Fowler would be able to turn into such a good defensive guy when we drafted him (neither did most scouts).

 

[Benjamin]

He's being ranked below Lindholm, Trouba, Murray, and Maatta. How is that not accurate?

Im not complaining about that. I think thats correct.

I just meant in general.

 

[Sojourn]

Im not complaining about that. I think thats correct.

I just meant in general.

Ah, fair enough. You're probably right. He's always impressed me when I've seen him. I didn't realize at first who he was, because I thought he was a veteran.

 

[HanSolo]

Im not complaining about that. I think thats correct.

I just meant in general.

I don't think anyone doubts how good Ceci is. I think most people agree that 2008 and 2012 are big years for infusing defensive talent into the league and Ceci definitely is a part of that

 

[winnipegger]

As a pegger yes I see Trouba as being the best. But objectively speaking, Lindholm is just as good. I don't really know anything about Murray, never see him play.

Trouba/Lindholm
Maata
Murray
Reilly
Dumba
Ceci
Severson

 

[Paradoc]

My Ranking:

Trouba
Lindholm
Murray
Maatta
Rielly
Ceci

Lindholm and Trouba, to me, are 1a and 1b. Maatta is 2. Murray is 3(mostly because he's had difficulty staying healthy, as I think he's been better than Maatta).

Rielly and Ceci are definitely a step behind them.

I do think Rielly can join that top group, and he has as much potential as any of them, but he isn't there yet.

Agree with your post 100 %. The only reason why Rielly should be ahead of Lindholm, Trouba, Maatta and Murray is because of potential. Other then that, he has not shown he is above any of the defenseman you listed above.

 

[Benjamin]

Agree with your post 100 %. The only reason why Rielly should be ahead of Lindholm, Trouba, Maatta and Murray is because of potential. Other then that, he has not shown he is above any of the defenseman you listed above.

Yikes. Homer much.

 

[Paradoc]

Yikes. Homer much.

Did you read the rest of my post?

 

[HanSolo]

Yikes. Homer much.

He's not entirely wrong. Rielly has huge potential. I don't know if it's overwhelmingly more than Trouba, Lindholm, and Murray, but he's definitely got as much potential.

 

[The Podium]

Yikes. Homer much.

His skating on offensive acumen are already on par with some of the elite defensemen. He can't shoot and his defensive game his shady but in terms of the tools that define elite players in today's NHL he has that in spades on par or better then the other D in the draft. There is no question that he had and still has the highest offensive potential in the draft, but the question becomes does he reach it, and if so is his defensive game improved enough that he is more effective overall than Lindholm, Murray, Trouba and Maattas who are all great two way D.

 

[jacks*]

Lindhom/Trouba
Maata
Murray
Rielly
Ceci

This ^
If Dumba is added to the mix than i go

Lindhom/Trouba
Maata
Murray
Rielly
Dumba
Ceci[/QUOTE]

 

[TheTwelfth]

If only potential mattered, then Pouliot would be ranked in the top 3. Määttä has been the best defender on the Penguins since he stepped on ice imo, and contributed greatly in Finland's olympic bronze performance. Terribly bad luck this year.

With that said, I haven't seen the others enough to compare Määttä's play to them.