GDT: Rangers Vs Sens | THE MADISON SQUARE EdITION

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

Nassau > MSG. Truth.

 

[StefanW]

I'm ok with Neil and Phillips back in. It is not as though we were tearing up the league while those guys were out.

 

[God Says No]

I'm ok with Neil and Phillips back in. It is not as though we were tearing up the league while those guys were out.

No. But we were playing MUCH better. It's going to be interesting to see those guys back. One suggestion for Cameron though. Do not put them on the ice at the same time please.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

I'm ok with Neil and Phillips back in. It is not as though we were tearing up the league while those guys were out.

I could have sworn on here that Neil and Phillips were the reason we were losing games.

 

[StefanW]

I could have sworn on here that Neil and Phillips were the reason we were losing games.

Of course not, it was Spezza and MacLean all along.

 

[General Zodd]

So I guessing we'll give the Rangers a good run tomorrow night (Predicting a 4-3 win) and then come back home to get our assess handed to us by the Leafs again??

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

Of course not, it was Spezza and MacLean all along.

If we're going to put the blame on someone though, I'd rather put the blame on either a coach or your top end talent and not a #6D and fourth line forward. It would be like Leafs fans blaming Troy Bodie for their lack of success.

 

[God Says No]

If we're going to put the blame on someone though, I'd rather put the blame on either a coach or your top end talent and not a #6D and fourth line forward. It would be like Leafs fans blaming Troy Bodie for their lack of success.

I see. So you are part of the en masse that drove away Spezza. Good to know.

Every player is important. If the 4th liner can't play hockey, or the 6th D can't stop the puck from going into the net then you will have problems.

It's going to be interesting how the team plays with Neil and Phillips in the lineup. I guess we'll find out whether it was the coach or the players.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

I see. So you are part of the en masse that drove away Spezza. Good to know.

Every player is important. If the 4th liner can't play hockey, or the 6th D can't stop the puck from going into the net then you will have problems.

It's going to be interesting how the team plays with Neil and Phillips in the lineup. I guess we'll find out whether it was the coach or the players.

How exactly did I drive away Spezza? Spezza drove away Spezza. He seems happy where he is now anyway and doesn't have to have the pressure of being a captain in a Canadian market and the go to guy on a roster. To me, that's a perfect fit for him. I do think in the long run we will be better off without Spezza, but I can definitely challenge you to find me spewing any vitrol Spezza's way, even if I didn't think he was the guy to lead our roster. He's a Vinny Damphousse in my mind, who was no slouch.

Sure, every player on a team plays a role, but I find it funny when people have so much vitrol towards Phillips or Neil during losses when our top players can't hit the broadside of a barn at the same time.

 

[Cosmix]

I'm ok with Neil and Phillips back in. It is not as though we were tearing up the league while those guys were out.

Nor with them in either.

 

[Micklebot]

No. But we were playing MUCH better. It's going to be interesting to see those guys back. One suggestion for Cameron though. Do not put them on the ice at the same time please.

Ok, lets be honest here:

- The difference between Phillips vs Wiercioch playing 14 mins on the third pairing isn't much. (just for the love of god don't put Phillips with Karlsson)

- The difference between Neil and Condra playing 9 mins on the 4th line isn't much

I'd rather have Condra and Wiercioch myself, but we can't just be sitting guys none stop, so we got to sub guys in and out.

 

[Micklebot]

If we're going to put the blame on someone though, I'd rather put the blame on either a coach or your top end talent and not a #6D and fourth line forward. It would be like Leafs fans blaming Troy Bodie for their lack of success.

Well, the problem came when we played our #6 D on the top line (not sure why people complained about Neil's 9 mins of icetime).

If Phillips is playing top pair 22 mins a night, then yes, we can blame loses on him (but also the coach for playing him 22 mins, and the GM for not getting a better option to play on the top line).

 

[God Says No]

Ok, lets be honest here:

- The difference between Phillips vs Wiercioch playing 14 mins on the third pairing isn't much. (just for the love of god don't put Phillips with Karlsson)

- The difference between Neil and Condra playing 9 mins on the 4th line isn't much

I'd rather have Condra and Wiercioch myself, but we can't just be sitting guys none stop, so we got to sub guys in and out.

Not sure man. Like I said. It's going to be interesting how the team plays when Neil can't take the pass to exit the zone, or Phillips gives away the puck because he can't make a simple pass.

Condra has been money on the PK, while PW has helped a lot with the transition play.

 

[Cosmix]

Ok, lets be honest here:

- The difference between Phillips vs Wiercioch playing 14 mins on the third pairing isn't much. (just for the love of god don't put Phillips with Karlsson)

- The difference between Neil and Condra playing 9 mins on the 4th line isn't much

I'd rather have Condra and Wiercioch myself, but we can't just be sitting guys none stop, so we got to sub guys in and out.

The problem is that we have too many players who are third and Forth liners, and are missing two first line players (C and LW). Methot has stabilized the first pairing on D, the second pair with Cowen and Ceci is decent but not outstanding, and the third pair is not top team calibre.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

Well, the problem came when we played our #6 D on the top line (not sure why people complained about Neil's 9 mins of icetime).

If Phillips is playing top pair 22 mins a night, then yes, we can blame loses on him (but also the coach for playing him 22 mins, and the GM for not getting a better option to play on the top line).

Still don't agree with the first part of that. If you're putting a player in a position where he pretty much has zero chance to succeed, I'm not going to blame the guy. The coach and GM thing I can fully get behind.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Ok, lets be honest here:

- The difference between Phillips vs Wiercioch playing 14 mins on the third pairing isn't much. (just for the love of god don't put Phillips with Karlsson)

- The difference between Neil and Condra playing 9 mins on the 4th line isn't much

I'd rather have Condra and Wiercioch myself, but we can't just be sitting guys none stop, so we got to sub guys in and out.

I think there will be a noticeable difference in overall team play with Condra out, especially on the PK. Phillips is slightly more reliable than PW imo. Really didn't like the Wiercioch/Gryba pairing.

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

Dat roof doe.

 

[ChocolateLeclaire]

So I guessing we'll give the Rangers a good run tomorrow night (Predicting a 4-3 win) and then come back home to get our assess handed to us by the Leafs again??

I think deep down, we all expect this.

Especially with the Leafs skidding. We are their slumpbuster.

 

[Super Cake]

I think deep down, we all expect this.

Especially with the Leafs skidding. We are their slumpbuster.

I won't be able to watch the game on Wednesday being that i am going to be in school. Don't know whether that is a good thing or a bad thing.

Having said that, i hope Lehner has a great game and the Sens come out with a victory.

 

[DrEasy]

I could have sworn on here that Neil and Phillips were the reason we were losing games.

Every little bit counts, and as long as the process is sound, I don't mind if the result doesn't always follow.

For example, I would disagree with the process that selects Greening in a SO, even if Greening manages to score that one time.

And so I disagree with the process that leads to playing Phillips with Karlsson, or that plays Neil in the last minute of a tight game. And that's even if generally nothing bad happens when those choices are made.

It will take a lot of data for the right decisions to pay off, not a short run of 10 games. Incidentally that's why sports forums exist, it's because it's so hard to know who's right and who's wrong given the paucity of data and the amount of variation there is within it.

 

[EK65IsAGod]

We just lost against one of the worst teams in the NHL and are now playing the hottest?

Easy win.

 

[maclean]

rangers blow, we've got this

 

[BonkTastic]

Having said that, i hope Lehner has a great game and the Sens come out with a victory.

Anderson is starting.

 

[Synthetek]

The wife is a Rangers fan, so it's going to be a night of dirty looks and "**** your team"

 

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gord wilson @gordwilson · 8m 8 minutes ago
Morning skate lines here in NY
Macarthur-turris-stone
Hoffman-zibanejad-ryan
Michalek-pageau-chiasson
Condra-legwand-neil
#25-4firstout

Defence pairings here in NY
Methot-karlsson
Cowen-ceci
Phillips-gryba
Anderson to start. 7-4-1 life vs NYR
7pm puck drop on TSN1200

Lazar, Wiercioch and Greening seem to be out.