Confirmed with Link: Rangers Sign Gustav Rydahl

[tlk]

Nemeth!

Hopefully doesn't bond

 

[Jayan]

Dont know this guy but what ive read about him, could work as an alternative in bottom 6, should start in Hartford though and eventually get a shot if injuries.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Nemeth!

Nobody's missing Nemeth

 

[Ola]

This remains me Stromwall or Ambuhl . Watch him go back to sweden after he fails to make the team. At 27 why would he finally decide to try the NHL. This feels odd to me. I like that he is a tough gritty forward but at 27 did he wait to long?

Wouldn’t want to venture guessing how often it happens, but sometimes these guys make it. One of the Derek Ryan guys played a long time in Europe. Pierre Edouard Bellemare played in the SHL until he was 29, now 8 years later he has had a pretty long NHL career lol.

 

[GAGLine]

If he doesn’t make the team out of camp can the Rangers send him to Hartford?

I believe so.

CapFriendly lists him as Waivers Exempt, but also that his NHL and AHL salary are the same at $750k. Could just be that the full details aren't out yet, or it could be that the 1-way deal was part of what enticed him over.

Detroit was previously linked to him back in 2020.

His NHL/AHL salaries have no bearing on whether or not we can send him to the AHL, nor does his waiver status.

The only players who can't be sent to the AHL are players drafted out of the CHL who have not yet met the 4 years/age 20 requirements.

If a player is waiver eligible, they must first clear waivers before they can be sent down. If a player has an NMC, they must agree to be sent down. If a player has a European Assignment Clause, they can choose to return to Europe rather than go to the AHL.

Rydahl is waiver exempt and there's no chance he has an NMC. It's possible that he'll have an assignment clause, but again, that doesn't stop us from sending him down. It just means he can choose to go back to Europe instead. We'll see if he ends up having one, but it's also quite possible that he traded not having the clause for the guaranteed money. It's only 1 year, so if he ends up in Hartford, he can make good money for a year, then go back.

 

[Ola]

His NHL/AHL salaries have no bearing on whether or not we can send him to the AHL, nor does his waiver status.

The only players who can't be sent to the AHL are players drafted out of the CHL who have not yet met the 4 years/age 20 requirements.

If a player is waiver eligible, they must first clear waivers before they can be sent down. If a player has an NMC, they must agree to be sent down. If a player has a European Assignment Clause, they can choose to return to Europe rather than go to the AHL.

Rydahl is waiver exempt and there's no chance he has an NMC. It's possible that he'll have an assignment clause, but again, that doesn't stop us from sending him down. It just means he can choose to go back to Europe instead. We'll see if he ends up having one, but it's also quite possible that he traded not having the clause for the guaranteed money. It's only 1 year, so if he ends up in Hartford, he can make good money for a year, then go back.

As long as all cards are on the table I am happy. We have so many examples from the past where players have gone on record saying that they were told one thing and then when they showed up it was clear from Day 1 that the coach had something else in mind. Looking at how many others have bolted early, you can of course speculate on if guys like Zamorsky and Denisov are the tip of an ice berg in that regard.

If this in all essence is a PTO, ie a 1-way deal with a euro out clause that the player intends to use if he is cut from camp, fine. Who cares about a camp invite.

But there should be zero misconceptions. Gustav Rydahl can 100% form an opinion on how it is playing in the AHL and we can 100% form an opinion on what Gustav Rydahl can bring to the ice.

An approach that is based on the idea that you have a group of amateur scouts who works to bring players to camp so that the coach can evaluate them, see what happens, seems like something Glen Sather could be behind but it’s just something that is tremendously amateurish and should have no place whatsoever in a professional league like the NHL. Players today don’t see themselves as livestock. If they sign a contract it’s their career, their life. If you have a GM/AGM or whatever for example tell you that they see you as a center, and then the coach during the first week of camp tell you ‘ohh, I don’t quite see you as a center, but perhaps a LW’ — they will become really rotten for sure. These things are contagious. The word spreads.

 

[Eye of Ra]

I like him. VERY strong. Natural strenght even with NHL standard. Also physical. Remains to see of he can keep up with the pace and skill level of NHL. I would say its 50 % he turns into a decent 4th liner. Nothing wrong with that. But dont expect a new Joel Eriksson Ek or something.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I like him. VERY strong. Natural strenght even with NHL standard. Also physical. Remains to see of he can keep up with the pace and skill level of NHL. I would say its 50 % he turns into a decent 4th liner. Nothing wrong with that. But dont expect a new Joel Eriksson Ek or something.

Change your name to "Eye of Ry"

 

[duhmetreE]

Is there a 'Faceoff Hockey Camp' we can send him to for the Summer?

 

[leetch99]

Bring him over and have a look . I don't care where he is from.....as long as he knows that he will need to battle in the postseason .

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Is there a 'Faceoff Hockey Camp' we can send him to for the Summer?

Yes, it's actually at NHL linesman camp.

 

[eco's bones]

I think the Rangers are hoping/thinking he can actually take a bottom line position or they probably wouldn’t bother—likely the 4th line next year. It’s not your classic prospect scenario here. It’s a short term one year deal for a developed 27 year old. We don’t have to go to Sweden to find 27 year old AHL fodder. At that age the player is filled out—he’s a man and his style of play has been figured out too. If he’s got a two way checking game and can keep up with the pace there you go. The size, his predilection for physical play and agitating game fits right into a 4th line kind of role.

 

[cwede]

I think the Rangers are hoping/thinking he can actually take a bottom line position or they probably wouldn’t bother—likely the 4th line next year. It’s not your classic prospect scenario here. It’s a short term one year deal for a developed 27 year old. We don’t have to go to Sweden to find 27 year old AHL fodder. At that age the player is filled out—he’s a man and his style of play has been figured out too. If he’s got a two way checking game and can keep up with the pace there you go. The size, his predilection for physical play and agitating game fits right into a 4th line kind of role.

i agree with all this, but also could see him having a few weeks at the start in AHL -
(a) transition to NA rinks and NA play,
(b) gives NYR flexibility at pre-season roster cutdown
before the inevitable attrition {Sammy Blais type early major injury, etc) then he can join very prepared
....

 

[Ola]

I think the Rangers are hoping/thinking he can actually take a bottom line position or they probably wouldn’t bother—likely the 4th line next year. It’s not your classic prospect scenario here. It’s a short term one year deal for a developed 27 year old. We don’t have to go to Sweden to find 27 year old AHL fodder. At that age the player is filled out—he’s a man and his style of play has been figured out too. If he’s got a two way checking game and can keep up with the pace there you go. The size, his predilection for physical play and agitating game fits right into a 4th line kind of role.

Yeah, and I also think that Hartford must take a big step in its evolution and change how it plays and that will be hard with the way that team currently is built.

All teams and all successful lines in the NHL right now moves the puck and plays a very creative style of hockey. We perhaps take it to extreme at times, but really, so does the perfection line in Boston and all other great lines in this league. But there really is not much of a difference playing on a 4th line with Reeves in the NHL or a first line in the AHL. It is the same style and it will in no way prepare a kid for playing top 9 hockey in the NHL. As it is now you can question if we would be better of without a AHL team all together. Someone like Chytil goes there and comes up without having developed his game with the puck in any way, shape or form. It is better for Ds for sure, but for forwards its pretty meaningless. Vinnie Lettieri was 4 years in the AHL, how many times did he pass the puck in the attacking zone? 5?

But how do you change the DNA of that team? The current way isn't working. Somehow you must just find the right players that can create a new core. If we bring in a Bobby Trivigno he should be put with players that plays good hockey, that he can learn from, that thinks the game like he does, that plays an effective style of hockey. Not the crap we have seen there the last 15 years.

After the 05' lock-out a bunch of kids came to Camp from HFD and left a mark. Was a burst of fresh air. They had learned to do certain things better in the ALH than the guys who were slotted in to play in the NHL. Ryan Hollweg. Jed Ortmayer. Blair Betts. Dom Moore. Ryan McGill had coached that team and instilled a super aggressive and well structured forechecking game. The guys in the AHL had learned stuff they wouldn't have learned in the NHL. The guys in the AHL had practiced on things we wanted them to do in the NHL and in some areas gone even further and were a step ahead of the guys in the NHL.

Compare this to how it looked when Marek Hrivik got shots in the NHL. He played his first game in Hartford in 2012. When he got a real shot in the NHL when we tanked in 2017 -- he played 16 games in the NHL -- he was totally unprepared and clueless on the ice. A hard working kid. With talent. Great attitude. That had put in 5 years in the AHL, and he really had less than nothing to show for it. A complete waste of time, almost. Many things are to his benefit now when he is in the SHL. It of course improved him as a player. But there was just way to much missing in his education for it to be acceptable.

How do we make Hartford into a team that if a kid plays there for 2 years and comes up and plays on a 2nd or 3rd or 4th line in the NHL -- he can contribute something to his line? Be someone that have learned something that the guys he competes with have missed out on? Because really, if we don't have an answer to this question, we should never send someone there if its not for the purpose of just having them adjust to the pro game which perhaps take a few months and/or keep warm while there is an opening on the big club? With this said, it is really different for Ds. They don't have to 'solve' the opponents by committee. But for a forward. There is so much strategy that goes into how a successful NHL line plays nowadays. It is hard for super talents like Laf or Kakko to pick up on how Kreider and Ziba process the game. Meanwhile the game in Hartford is completely deprived of that type of strategic thinking on a line/team level. Its Rooney and Reaves level. If Bobby Trivigno plays 5 years in the AHL he will have nothing to show for it if he is put on a line with Kreider and Ziba or Panarin or whatever in the top 9 in the NHL, he will have to start from scratch figuring out how to play.

 

[bobbop]

The Rangers must have seen something with this guy

 

[eco's bones]

i agree with all this, but also could see him having a few weeks at the start in AHL -
(a) transition to NA rinks and NA play,
(b) gives NYR flexibility at pre-season roster cutdown
before the inevitable attrition {Sammy Blais type early major injury, etc) then he can join very prepared
....

There are potential issues with our 4th line for next year. Hunt doesn’t kill penalties. Reaves doesn’t either. Good chance that Rooney doesn’t return or that Motte re-signs. There’s an opening for a versatile guy and looking at Rydahl he might check a lot of boxes. Big, physical, agitator. Those are all useful qualities for a 4th line NHL player. I like Motte a lot. Blais should be back but is he a 3rd or 4th line guy? I like how Hunt works but also think he’s a player and it’s a position that we can upgrade. I don’t mind so much keeping Reaves around but 50 games from him would be better than 70. Save him for the heavy teams.

 

[eco's bones]

Yeah, and I also think that Hartford must take a big step in its evolution and change how it plays and that will be hard with the way that team currently is built.

All teams and all successful lines in the NHL right now moves the puck and plays a very creative style of hockey. We perhaps take it to extreme at times, but really, so does the perfection line in Boston and all other great lines in this league. But there really is not much of a difference playing on a 4th line with Reeves in the NHL or a first line in the AHL. It is the same style and it will in no way prepare a kid for playing top 9 hockey in the NHL. As it is now you can question if we would be better of without a AHL team all together. Someone like Chytil goes there and comes up without having developed his game with the puck in any way, shape or form. It is better for Ds for sure, but for forwards its pretty meaningless. Vinnie Lettieri was 4 years in the AHL, how many times did he pass the puck in the attacking zone? 5?

But how do you change the DNA of that team? The current way isn't working. Somehow you must just find the right players that can create a new core. If we bring in a Bobby Trivigno he should be put with players that plays good hockey, that he can learn from, that thinks the game like he does, that plays an effective style of hockey. Not the crap we have seen there the last 15 years.

After the 05' lock-out a bunch of kids came to Camp from HFD and left a mark. Was a burst of fresh air. They had learned to do certain things better in the ALH than the guys who were slotted in to play in the NHL. Ryan Hollweg. Jed Ortmayer. Blair Betts. Dom Moore. Ryan McGill had coached that team and instilled a super aggressive and well structured forechecking game. The guys in the AHL had learned stuff they wouldn't have learned in the NHL. The guys in the AHL had practiced on things we wanted them to do in the NHL and in some areas gone even further and were a step ahead of the guys in the NHL.

Compare this to how it looked when Marek Hrivik got shots in the NHL. He played his first game in Hartford in 2012. When he got a real shot in the NHL when we tanked in 2017 -- he played 16 games in the NHL -- he was totally unprepared and clueless on the ice. A hard working kid. With talent. Great attitude. That had put in 5 years in the AHL, and he really had less than nothing to show for it. A complete waste of time, almost. Many things are to his benefit now when he is in the SHL. It of course improved him as a player. But there was just way to much missing in his education for it to be acceptable.

How do we make Hartford into a team that if a kid plays there for 2 years and comes up and plays on a 2nd or 3rd or 4th line in the NHL -- he can contribute something to his line? Be someone that have learned something that the guys he competes with have missed out on? Because really, if we don't have an answer to this question, we should never send someone there if its not for the purpose of just having them adjust to the pro game which perhaps take a few months and/or keep warm while there is an opening on the big club? With this said, it is really different for Ds. They don't have to 'solve' the opponents by committee. But for a forward. There is so much strategy that goes into how a successful NHL line plays nowadays. It is hard for super talents like Laf or Kakko to pick up on how Kreider and Ziba process the game. Meanwhile the game in Hartford is completely deprived of that type of strategic thinking on a line/team level. Its Rooney and Reaves level. If Bobby Trivigno plays 5 years in the AHL he will have nothing to show for it if he is put on a line with Kreider and Ziba or Panarin or whatever in the top 9 in the NHL, he will have to start from scratch figuring out how to play.

I think a lot of people underestimate the AHL. It is a really tough league on young players. Most everyone can skate and check even if they’re not all that skilled offensively. Half the teams kind of have that New York Islanders approach of getting the lead and then sitting on it clogging up the neutral zone until the other team gives them a chance to counterattack. You don’t very often see very many young hotshots from a recent draft running up the stats. It is a really good league for the foundational stuff and a player really has to work for what he gets.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Here, some tape on the man. Dude looks like a big boy scrapper type. Skating on NHL ice and pace is gonna be an issue I suppose. His shot could be something.



A little scrap here:

 

[Ola]

I think a lot of people underestimate the AHL. It is a really tough league on young players. Most everyone can skate and check even if they’re not all that skilled offensively. Half the teams kind of have that New York Islanders approach of getting the lead and then sitting on it clogging up the neutral zone until the other team gives them a chance to counterattack. You don’t very often see very many young hotshots from a recent draft running up the stats. It is a really good league for the foundational stuff and a player really has to work for what he gets.

Yeah, it’s the best NA players who aren’t in the NHL and many good Euros. The ones who make it to the NHL are predominantly the faster more skilled guys, so the AHL right now definitely have an over representation of more N-S guys who are short on skill, but who still are good at what they are good at.

I mean guys like Rooney aren’t easy to play against. Ergo, the AHL isn’t easy to play in. It can even in many ways — be harder— to play the right way in the AHL than the NHL.

But that is what it is, it doesn’t change the fact that right now the AHL learns a kid what to not do in the NHL/pro game. But it doesn’t learn a young forward what do. That is fundamentally a preeeeety big flaw for a developmental environment lol.

In that sense I like the Rydahl signing even if he is just AHL depth. Getting some outside influence. It’s not helping to get some AHL vets, college free agents. Watching HFD play, it’s horrific. Not even close.

 

[nyr2k2]

From the 12/13 season through the 17/18 season, Rydahl played in 222 SHL games (a handful when it was still the Elitserien!) and had a line of 18-4-22. He played in 39 SHL playoff games and had a line of 0-2-2. This was age 18-23 for him.

Then, in, 17/18, when he turned 24, he suddenly started to put it together. 12-7-19 in 47 games, almost matching his career production in 20% of the games. Shows up in the playoffs and goes 2-5-7 in 14 games. The next season, he really gets it and goes 19-16-35 in in 49 games along with 50 PIM. He plays for the senior national team for the first time. The following year is a wash as he only plays a total of 15 games after sustaining an injury.

This past season he really establishes himself as one of Färjestad's go-to guys: 30 points (15-15-30) in 44 games, 53 PIM, and then in the postseason he plays great hockey going 6-6-12 in 19 games. He played for Sweden in the Olympics and played a handful of other international games.

I have no idea how his game will translate, but he has had a really interesting career arc to this point.

 

[eco's bones]

Yeah, it’s the best NA players who aren’t in the NHL and many good Euros. The ones who make it to the NHL are predominantly the faster more skilled guys, so the AHL right now definitely have an over representation of more N-S guys who are short on skill, but who still are good at what they are good at.

I mean guys like Rooney aren’t easy to play against. Ergo, the AHL isn’t easy to play in. It can even in many ways — be harder— to play the right way in the AHL than the NHL.

But that is what it is, it doesn’t change the fact that right now the AHL learns a kid what to not do in the NHL/pro game. But it doesn’t learn a young forward what do. That is fundamentally a preeeeety big flaw for a developmental environment lol.

In that sense I like the Rydahl signing even if he is just AHL depth. Getting some outside influence. It’s not helping to get some AHL vets, college free agents. Watching HFD play, it’s horrific. Not even close.

That’s a good way of putting it on the what not to do what to do thing. Teaching players to defend is basically what that league does. Young kids coming in have to figure out for themselves pretty much the scoring part and they’re up against older more experienced, bigger and stronger competition.….with still a fair number of tough guys running around. Most players will have to learn how to diversify their game in some significant way or they’re going to fail as far as becoming NHL players.

I think the Rangers think Rydahl will play for them at least a significant part of next year. Again it’s the size, the physical play. Get that he likes getting under skins. That’s all tailor made 4th line NHL stuff and honestly I don’t want guys like Gauthier or Kravtsov on our 4th line. If guys like that can’t win jobs at least in the top 9 then forget it for them. it’s important that those bottom line jobs go to guys who work, defend, hit, grind, kill penalties etc.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Teammate of the great go back home Michael Lindqvist.

 

[Baby Duck Homme]

Is there a 'Faceoff Hockey Camp' we can send him to for the Summer?

Who is the Barb Inderhill of face offs? The ref in camp who helped to drop the puck didn’t get the job done improving us at the dot.

 

[RGY]

This is Rooney’s replacement imo. Rooney will price himself out.

 

[huerter]

If he's not Mikheyev it's devastating to our future.