lets face facts...no way on earth Kovy comes back and signs with Florida, Dallas or St.Louis....if he comes back it will be with the Rangers and only the Rangers....I think a 2 year deal might be pretty good to see what he can do
Larry Brooks: Rangers must target Ilya Kovalchuk
- Thread starter nevesis
- Start date
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
The reality is that there's still several guys who are likely to be traded, whether we like it or not.
I think we're also being a bit overly optimistic about adding a few pieces and being competitive. There are a lot of holes in this lineup right now that will only be filled with time.
Sign Kovy for 1 year, trade him to a cup contender for prospects and picks at the deadline, repeat again the following year
haveandare
Registered User
Eh I'm not in love with the idea of him coming.
"He's not who you think he is"
Did he make a scene about needing to make $100M+ on a contract and then play a fraction of it before "retiring" to the KHL?
Yes, he did. Therefore he is who I think he is, which is a guy who cares about himself and his bank account first, second and third. That's fine and anyone's right, but nobody has to like that or want that on their team. I'm not under the delusion that the rest of the roster is leaving money on the table because they love the team so much, but I don't recall any of them insisting on big round numbers for vanity and then bailing on those very same vanity deals.
If the guy takes a short reasonable deal to come here, ok. But what about his entire history as a player makes anybody think he's going to do that? He's absolutely not going to. He'll go somewhere else or we'll horribly overpay and over commit to him. He said he thinks he can play 5 more years. I sure as hell don't want NYR to be on the hook to pay him for 5 more at his age.
"He's not who you think he is"
Did he make a scene about needing to make $100M+ on a contract and then play a fraction of it before "retiring" to the KHL?
Yes, he did. Therefore he is who I think he is, which is a guy who cares about himself and his bank account first, second and third. That's fine and anyone's right, but nobody has to like that or want that on their team. I'm not under the delusion that the rest of the roster is leaving money on the table because they love the team so much, but I don't recall any of them insisting on big round numbers for vanity and then bailing on those very same vanity deals.
If the guy takes a short reasonable deal to come here, ok. But what about his entire history as a player makes anybody think he's going to do that? He's absolutely not going to. He'll go somewhere else or we'll horribly overpay and over commit to him. He said he thinks he can play 5 more years. I sure as hell don't want NYR to be on the hook to pay him for 5 more at his age.
wasn't Brooks complaining earlier about how going after Kovy would be dumb?
I don't think it makes the team a contender (even just for the playoffs) in any way but if they somehow end up with a lot of Russians on the team it could be good to have him as a mentor for them.
I don't think it makes the team a contender (even just for the playoffs) in any way but if they somehow end up with a lot of Russians on the team it could be good to have him as a mentor for them.
Glen Sathers Cigar
Sather 4 Ever
Off Sides
Registered User
- Sep 8, 2008
- 9,755
- 5,585
That is one possible direction.
Another, they take what they have, also re-sign just about all of them who need new deals, and go shopping in UFA season. Filling some spots with a prospect here or there and they go back to renting/self renting and can kicking because that roster will likely be good enough to be a bubble wildcard team, they are almost that as is.
GAGLine
Registered User
- Sep 17, 2007
- 23,494
- 19,469
Maybe, maybe not. If we are signing him to a 1 or 2 year deal with the intent of trading him at some point, I think it make sense. If we are signing him for longer than 2 years with the intent of actually competing, I think it's a mistake.
Signing free players and turning them into future assets is a smart move at this point, and Kovy will be a highly valued player at the trade deadline. I'm not sure Kovy would be on board for that, but if I'm Gorton, it's absolutely part of my thought process.
GregSirico
KakkoSZN
Off Sides
Registered User
- Sep 8, 2008
- 9,755
- 5,585
Why would Kovalchuk who is rumored only to want to be a in a specific geographic location not also want, possibly require, full trade protection as well as no AHL protection in his contract?
Plus the offer is going to have to compete with whatever he could get in the KHL, with some other NHL offers should those team in that area make them, and it's a plus 35 contract where he could walk at any point and leave the cap hit behind... that all sounds like a bad idea to me unless it's a 1 year deal.
Plus the offer is going to have to compete with whatever he could get in the KHL, with some other NHL offers should those team in that area make them, and it's a plus 35 contract where he could walk at any point and leave the cap hit behind... that all sounds like a bad idea to me unless it's a 1 year deal.
EdJovanovski
#RempeForCalder
Kovy is still an absolutely dominant player, one of the best leaders/lockerroom guys, especially considering all the young Russians we have. Buchnevich has all the talent in the world but you can tell he has confidence issues, I think Kovy would do wonders for his progression, and it would also sure help bring Shestyorkin & Rykov over here. Maybe even Gusev or somebody else as well
Plus Kovalchuk wants to play here badly
Plus Kovalchuk wants to play here badly
haveandare
Registered User
We'll see how badly when he signs here or somewhere else and we get the numbers. I've never seen anything from him that makes me think he's going to get less than the max money offered.
RangerBoy
Dolan sucks!!!
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
I just don't think they hold onto a guy like Zucc. Could be wrong, but I doubt it.
As for prospects, I think some of these guys might need a little more time than we realize at the moment - namely Chytil and Andersson. They very well could make the team, but I'm cautious to not get too far down the road on that concept yet.
As for a bubble playoff team, I'm honestly not sure. There are a number of guys who I feel are playing a bit above their level at the moment, or are going to have some ups and down over the course of a full season. I'm just not sold on the idea that this time is as good as its been playing, and that's exactly the kind of situation that has bit this organization in the ass more than a few times over the years.
silverfish
got perma'd
Off Sides
Registered User
- Sep 8, 2008
- 9,755
- 5,585
I am not sure what their options are.
Zucc may get them like what, a late first at the draft, why not just wait as that is what he brings next deadline.
Are they going to move any of the RFAs? I mean other than Vesey they are all likely to get contracts that have both RFA and UFA years in them. Usually they like those deals.
If the prospects are not ready are they going to give cheap 1 year deals to the leftover UFAs, like DD and such? Or are they going Nash Kovalchuk level? If the later they are in wildcard territory.
Since it does not look as if they are getting to the top of the draft without supreme lottery luck, maybe they figure they may as well take all that and add. What are the other options if they can't get to the top of this or next draft, maybe not even get into 3rd tier prospects in both drafts.
They are sort of already stuck in the middle. Which was either a mistake, by taking back the roster players they did at the deadline, or it was by design and they are moving forward with them.
Last edited:
aufheben
#Norris4Fox
What’s the context of this? Someone could have just asked him “Would winning the Stanley Cup be cool?”, and he’d naturally reply “Yes.”
RangerBoy
Dolan sucks!!!
Edge
Kris King's Ghost
I think Zucc potentially gets you a pick in the early 20s and a solid, though not spectacular prospect. Though I don't know if the pick is in 2018.
I'm also one of those people who would not rule out the team moving one of either Kreider or Hayes.
I'm in agreement with McKenzie, I think this team has two or three potential deals immediately on the table once they're open to negotiate again.
Rongomania
Registered User
Everyone is probably right on about Zuccs value, BUT we still don’t know, Gorts was close, which means someone was going to give him what he wanted.
Hopefully we can AT LEAST pull a Brassard/Ziba trade with a kid who’s going to RFA when Zucc goes UFA.
I dunno, I just have hope that we can get a nice deal for Zucc at the draft. Gorton is going to have to be on the most A of all A games that day. Let’s just hope we get lotto luck and then he’ll have at least some reduced pressure.
silverfish
got perma'd
Yes, thank you, I understood what you meant when you said it the first time.
Synergy27
F-A-C-G-C-E
I read this in Susie from Curb Your Enthusiasm voice. Just saying.
Larry just prepping the battlefield. Ilya will be a Ranger next year.
Amazing Kreiderman
Registered User
- Apr 11, 2011
- 44,871
- 40,404
NYR Viper
Registered User
I mentioned this before. Kovalchuk has been rumored to want to play for the Rangers. He wants to live at his home he built not far from The City. The Rangers could sign him a 1 year deal with a decent amount of cash (say $7m), let him play in NY for most of the season and should the team not be in contention, trade him for a couple of months of a shot at a Cup. Perhaps he gets a NMC so he can determine where he goes at the deadline. It's a win for Kovalchuk who gets to spend the majority of his time in a comfortable location he wants to be in and the Rangers get a veteran leader who can also return solid assets should the team not do well. Kovalchuk also gets to pick and choose his location at the deadline when the picture is clearer as to who the true contenders are.
Ad
Upcoming events
-
BET ON ONLY ONE HORSE Sheepshead Bay Stakes (Gr. 2) BELMONT (AQUEDUCT) RACE 3Wagers: 3Staked: $209.00Event closes- Updated:
-
-
-
-
