Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Lightning - Happy New Year!

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GoAwayPanarin

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Staal saved the game for us yesterday.

Okay...

How about the rest of the game? Making a big play doesn't (or at least shouldn't) absolve anyone for poor play.


Hes been the worst player on this team this season relative to the minutes he gets. The fact that he hasn't been sat for at least a game is an absolute joke.
 

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Okay...

How about the rest of the game? Making a big play doesn't (or at least shouldn't) absolve anyone for poor play.


Hes been the worst player on this team this season relative to the minutes he gets. The fact that he hasn't been sat for at least a game is an absolute joke.

There hasn't been anything indicating that AV isn't happy with his play. Same with Girardi. That's terrifying.
 

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Other getting burned that 1 time, I thought Staal was fine last night (as were all our D) even without the goal line clear.
While they should be held to different standards, it's interesting that the narrative for Staal saving a goal is "one good play doesn't erase the bad ones" while for Glass, who took 2 really dumb penalties it's "he delivered a hit as part if a goal sequence so he had a good game"
 

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Not trying to bash on Nash but you can tell there are certain guys that really want the ENG. There are also some guys that are unselfish and would rather a teammate get the ENG.

C'mon man. This is ridiculous.

- He gets flak for apparently not scoring enough, though he set a career high in goals last year.

- He gets criticized for not scoring important goals, though that particular narrative is completely false. (See Ail's sig)

- Now he's getting flak for wanting to put the puck in an open net? Nash goes 100 percent most of the time. He gets his ENG's by racing to the puck on breaks, usually. Is he supposed to stand there and wait for someone else to come down? Should he not slam the coffin shut on a team that has pulled the goalie because they're still not dead?

The hate is ridiculous. I can only imagine what it was like on these boards during 2013-14. Nash must have been crucified daily.
 

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Not all players should be judged by the same expectations.

Staal plays a role where he gets mostly terrible zone starts, and is tasked with making sure goals don't go in the Rangers net. He rarely gets many offensive chances. If all you are going to do is judge whether he had more good offensive plays than bad defensive plays, he is going to have very few good games because his role on the team doesn't really allow instances like that to happen very often. Its the same exact thing with Girardi. That type of thinking gives an advantage in evaluation to players like Yandle and Boyle who rarely are asked to play in their own zone.

If the team allows no even strength goals, and very few good chances, I find it hard to say Staal didn't play well. He got beat one time I believe when he was rounded by a Lightning player who got off a good chance, Girardi also got beat once with Stamkos taking the puck away from him near our net after Girardi had taken it from Stamkos. You can't expect an 100% success rate though in the NHL. If you are going to watch that game and say Staal played poorly, you are working a preconceived narrative that won't let you judge his play fairly.
 

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Not all players should be judged by the same expectations.

Staal plays a role where he gets mostly terrible zone starts, and is tasked with making sure goals don't go in the Rangers net. He rarely gets many offensive chances. If all you are going to do is judge whether he had more good offensive plays than bad defensive plays, he is going to have very few good games because his role on the team doesn't really allow instances like that to happen very often. Its the same exact thing with Girardi. That type of thinking gives an advantage in evaluation to players like Yandle and Boyle who rarely are asked to play in their own zone.

If the team allows no even strength goals, and very few good chances, I find it hard to say Staal didn't play well. He got beat one time I believe when he was rounded by a Lightning player who got off a good chance, Girardi also got beat once with Stamkos taking the puck away from him near our net after Girardi had taken it from Stamkos. You can't expect an 100% success rate though in the NHL. If you are going to watch that game and say Staal played poorly, you are working a preconceived narrative that won't let you judge his play fairly.

Because advanced stats aren't real right? Let's ignore those because you don't believe thrn them
 

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Well, our planet has completed yet another lap around its star. We learn from our defeats, and celebrate our victories. We try to respect everyone and fear no one. And, hopefully, we're all still around by the time our planet completes yet another lap. So, Happy New Year to all, and may love and truth carry all our days.

Let's Go Rangers!!!
 

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I can tell you one thing for certain about something Nash is the absolute best at for the whole league and that is when he has a full head of steam and has the puck at the other teams blueline and he is along the boards and sees somebody coming towards him....he can dump that puck into the corner faster than you can say abracadabra and peel off for the bench !!!

OK...sarcasm over....seriously the guy is HUGE and no way what so ever would he ever battle along the boards while his mates change . He always dumps it off and gives up possession when he could carry it across the blueline into the corner and contain it for a few seconds while we change . His compete level is not high enough for somebody making 8 Million . Sad...very sad . :shakehead

He is more part of the problem than the solution at 8 Million .:(
 

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Well, our planet has completed yet another lap around its star. We learn from our defeats, and celebrate our victories. We try to respect everyone and fear no one. And, hopefully, we're all still around by the time our planet completes yet another lap. So, Happy New Year to all, and may love and truth carry all our days.

Let's Go Rangers!!!

Happy New Year to you as well!

LGR!
 

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Because advanced stats aren't real right? Let's ignore those because you don't believe thrn them

Advanced stats....hockey was a gut game before advanced stats hockey should always be a gut game. Advanced stats are for guys with cpa's that are just trying to fit in. Really it's enough of this ********
 
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Advanced stats....hockey was a gut game before advanced stats hockey should always be a gut game. Advanced stats are for guys with cpa's that are just trying to fit in. Really it's enough of this ********

All I hear is "WAH WHY CAN'T IT BE LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYS???!!!!!!"

Instead of being happy that there's new ways of analyzing the game, people just ***** about how the game is being ruined.
 

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Usage and zone starts aren't an excuse for anything. If a players' stats are bad in a particular situation, it just means the player isn't suited for that situation. It doesn't make the stats wrong. There are plenty of top-pairing defensemen who put up fine numbers.

Nothing in hockey is more important than playing well on the ice.
 

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Advanced stats....hockey was a gut game before advanced stats hockey should always be a gut game. Advanced stats are for guys with cpa's that are just trying to fit in. Really it's enough of this ********

Stats are definitely not the Be All End All of things, but they are useful. That said, it's nice to see a player go out there and defy the stats with big effort (i.e. - Glass vs the Bolts). The games have to be played and you never know what's going to happen. Guts and willpower can win the day, as happened the other night.
 

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ZiGOODejad

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All I hear is "WAH WHY CAN'T IT BE LIKE THE GOOD OLD DAYS???!!!!!!"

Instead of being happy that there's new ways of analyzing the game, people just ***** about how the game is being ruined.

No one here is *****ing buddy you go on being all about your advanced stats while the rest of us just enjoy the sport for what it is. What it isn't is a math problem buddy.
 

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We don't have a lefty d that can take over to sit staal.. av won't anyone on their offside unless he has to

Yandle can take those minutes. I'm pretty positive that if given regular minutes on a bottom pair, Skjei would be better than the current version of Staal by the end of the season.


Staal needs to sit. Hes been pure **** since day 1.
 
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