Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Flyers

[CupWindow]

More like what do you do if you invest so much in two players and lose one for a chunk of time

You deal with it after the fact. This isn't something you can predict.

We can sign Hank for 8 million or we can sign 4 goalies all for 2 million each because we'll have security from injury in case one of the 4 goes down.

I'll take Hank and hope he stays healthy.

 

[Brooklyn Ranger]

I can't fathom how someone would want Diaz over McIlrath as the 7th D based on each of their play so far. Diaz has been a train wreck.

That someone may be AV, who may not be comfortable having a very raw rookie--especially one who will need sheltered minutes in the beginning--sit for long periods of time before getting into games, potentially on a moment's notice.

There's only so much a rookie can learn from practicing--they need to play in games regularly to get better.

 

[Mac n Gs]

That someone may be AV, who may not be comfortable having a very raw rookie--especially one who will need sheltered minutes in the beginning--sit for long periods of time before getting into games, potentially on a moment's notice.

There's only so much a rookie can learn from practicing--they need to play in games regularly to get better.

Is that worth risking him being lost to waivers? Especially after the time and effort put into developing him?

 

[Ex Officer Friendly]

You deal with it after the fact. This isn't something you can predict.

We can sign Hank for 8 million or we can sign 4 goalies all for 2 million each because we'll have security from injury in case one of the 4 goes down.

I'll take Hank and hope he stays healthy.

One player at 8 million is different then two players at 10.5 each taking 21 million off the books.

Nash Hank and Stepan make a total of about 21 million

 

[Brooklyn Ranger]

Is that worth risking him being lost to waivers? Especially after the time and effort put into developing him?

Trading him is always an option. I would assume he has value--don't you?

 

[CupWindow]

Is that worth risking him being lost to waivers? Especially after the time and effort put into developing him?

To be completely honest, this should be completely ignored right now.

The 7 guys that give us the best chance of winning the Stanley Cup in 2016 should be the 7 guys we go with. That's the situation I think we're in right now.

 

[Miamipuck]

Dylan is 23 years old. Last year was his first full year of playing in the AHL. The 2 years before that he missed half a season, in each.

Each year he has improved. And keep in mind his growth was stunted due to injury. So he is technically behind, but still showing growth.

He needs minutes. Circumstantially, he no longer has the ability to be sent down to HFD to play the minutes he needs, so he NEEDS to get them via the main team.

AV said he expects 2 specific young guys to come in and step up. Lindberg. Mcilrath.

He expects a 23 year old to step up to be the 7th D? No.

This is an investment. Dylan is the future. And the decision to play him not only is contingent on if he can handle the position, which is a prerequisite, but also if he still has room for growth. He is improving each and every year. At this rate he can improve to be a 2nd pairing guy.

He is capable, which is the first benchmark, and he is growing which is the second one.

Good post, I agree with you.

 

[DudMan28]

Is that worth risking him being lost to waivers? Especially after the time and effort put into developing him?

IMO, there is no way he passes through waivers. If they expose him to waivers, he was never in the plans to begin with.

 

[CupWindow]

One player at 8 million is different then two players at 10.5 each taking 21 million off the books.

Nash Hank and Stepan make a total of about 21 million

Ok Nash, Staal and Stepan is around 21 Million also.

Toews
Kane
Any moving particle on the planet earth

is better than

Nash
Stepan
Staal

Just because you spend 21M on two players doesn't make it a bad signing. Not when the two players are Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane. This is taking injury possibility into account as well.

Agree to Disagree.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Good post, I agree with you.

I think he has already won the 7th D spot, barring a catastrophic final game this preseason.

As such, I think he will be thrown into situations to test his regular season adequacy. Diaz will stay as the 8th D. If Dylan can play 1-2 months and maintain this level of play vs. Starters, klein will be shipped come Nov/Dec and Diaz will become the 7th D.

He needs the minutes. He is the future. Klein is not. If he can show he is as good as KK for a month, Klein is gone.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Also what happens if one of your three and not your dead dog gets hurt mid season and won't return of you don't have at least suitable temp replacements you aren't
Gonna find one mid season

They had no problem picking up a player and cheating the cap.... again

 

[Ex Officer Friendly]

Ok Nash, Staal and Stepan is around 21 Million also.

Toews
Kane
Any moving particle on the planet earth

is better than

Nash
Stepan
Staal

Just because you spend 21M on two players doesn't make it a bad signing. Not when the two players are Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane. This is taking injury possibility into account as well.

Agree to Disagree.

Lol slick change to Staal

You just put all your eggs in one basket when you invest that 21 million into only two players. I guess we will see how it works by the end of the season

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

One player at 8 million is different then two players at 10.5 each taking 21 million off the books.

Nash Hank and Stepan make a total of about 21 million

And yet the players making more money have more cups. What a surprise.

 

[Ex Officer Friendly]

They had no problem picking up a player and cheating the cap.... again

Vermette was terrible for them he did not resolve Kane or even come close to replacing Kane, and if that injury happens on Game 20 they wouldn't hold him out till the playoffs

 

[CupWindow]

I think he has already won the 7th D spot, barring a catastrophic final game this preseason.

As such, I think he will be thrown into situations to test his regular season adequacy. Diaz will stay as the 8th D. If Dylan can play 1-2 months and maintain this level of play vs. Starters, klein will be shipped come Nov/Dec and Diaz will become the 7th D.

He needs the minutes. He is the future. Klein is not. If he can show he is as good as KK for a month, Klein is gone.

The future is now.

McDonagh
Girardi
Staal
Boyle
Klein
Yandle
McIlrath
Diaz

1: There's 8 names there. The 7 names that give us the best chance to win should and will be the 7 that are picked to make the roster.

2: After that, the 6 names that give us the best chance to win should and will be the ones that play on a regular basis.

3: The worst one out of the 7 will be the 7th D-man and play when injuries occur

This is a simple, three-step process.

The chips will fall as they fall but this is the process all 8 should have to go through.
Nothing else (age, contract, etc...) should be taken into consideration. The roster is already in place, now we just have to pick the best players.

 

[CupWindow]

Lol slick change to Staal

You just put all your eggs in one basket when you invest that 21 million into only two players. I guess we will see how it works by the end of the season

Changed it to Staal because you are disagreeing with Chicago's decision to give Toews and Kane 21 million.

We gave Nash, Stepan, and Staal 21 million.

I'd trade our 3 for their 2. They can throw in absolutely anything they want, including a dead walrus, to be the third piece to fit your example.

Our 21 million would not be greater than their 21 million. Their 21 million was not ill-advised spending.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

And yet the players making more money have more cups. What a surprise.

That's very circumstantial and really not an indication of anyrhing.

 

[Ex Officer Friendly]

And yet the players making more money have more cups. What a surprise.

What does this have to do with the conversation? Yes they got rewarded for their cups not really a surprise...

 

[Ex Officer Friendly]

Changed it to Staal because you are disagreeing with Chicago's decision to give Toews and Kane 21 million.

We gave Nash, Stepan, and Staal 21 million.

I'd trade our 3 for their 2. They can throw in absolutely anything they want, including a dead walrus, to be the third piece to fit your example.

Our 21 million is not greater than their 21 million. There 21 million was not ill-advised spending.

I disagree but if the cap jumped like it was supposed to then you're 100% correct

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

And yet the players making more money have more cups. What a surprise.

Crawford makes less money than Lundqvist or Price. Yet, has more Cups

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

What does this have to do with the conversation? Yes they got rewarded for their cups not really a surprise...

You keep saying that much cap tied between two people is bad when its really not because these guys can win with just two of them.

 

[CupWindow]

I disagree but if the cap jumped like it was supposed to then you're 100% correct

Dead Walrus-Toews-Kane
Kreider-Brassard-Zuccarello
Miller-Hayes-Etem
Stalberg-Moore-Fast

Skjei replaces Staal

I say the dead walrus puts up 50 points

And this lineup wins the cup for the next 6 years

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

You keep saying that much cap tied between two people is bad when its really not because these guys can win with just two of them.

I guess we will see this season.

Toews and Kane went from 6.3m to 10.5m

That's a total of 8.4 million extra tied up in those 2 players. The cap has gone up by about 2.4m which means they had to cup 6 million in cap space to make it fit under the cap. That is a lot of quality leaving the team.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Dead Walrus-Toews-Kane
Kreider-Brassard-Zuccarello
Miller-Hayes-Etem
Stalberg-Moore-Fast

Skjei replaces Staal

I say the dead walrus puts up 50 points

And this lineup wins the cup for the next 6 years

And how do you plan to extend the contracts of Kreider, Hayes, Etem and Miller?

 

[CupWindow]

And how do you plan to extend the contracts of Kreider, Hayes, Etem and Miller?

The same way we would if we had Stepan, Nash and Staal signed long term....