I'm confused how Jost got involved in this, am I missing something?
I was referring to Bowers being more value given up compared to a straight swap of Kreider for COL 2020 1st. Adding Bowers to that trade would be "giving up even more value", especially if we'd be taking a player with low value and high AAV like Staal back.
Whatever the case I'd prefer to keep our best prospects, whilst avoiding trading valuable assets for aging players (i.e. Staal). Kreider at 28 years old is probably as high as I'd go age-wise in a trade.
You're goddamn right!
Damn, you guys really like Mika lol.
Love the passion. He's definitely a stud and id probably advise avs fans talking his numbers down, to stop. He's about to have a big year lol. At this point I'd take guys over zibanejad on paper sure, but like the Rangers fans are saying he was quite versatile last season in terms of physicality and special teams. He's more than just points
I actually read this like that guy :He said over 35 initially. He provided 29 names. About 6 of the names were doozies like you claimed.
35.. 29.. 23..
Same same, but different I guess..
You're right, technically we can absorb Staal's cap hit, but it would be a silly thing to do as it would mean that we'd have to get rid of someone else on the roster, all for the sake of making room for a bad contract.I was just responding to the guy who didn't want to take out Jost (and Lias) in any Kreider deal.
I added Staal because you can clearly absorb his cap hit (as well as extend Kreider), but we also get less back because you take on Staal's contract.
It’s not even that we really like him. Just don’t make ill-informed posts like he made. He started out saying there were 35-40 centers better. Then he couldn’t name 30. Then some of those 20 something he mentioned were debatable at best.
For example, I would never say something like there are 70-80 centers better than Kadri. It’s ignorant. I know it’s false and there’s no point of saying it. It’s ok to recognize players that might not be obvious talents on other teams.
Everyone knows Nathan MacKinnon is great. But do they know that JT Compher is actually a very good middle-6 option with some room to grow? No, but that doesn’t mean trash the dude because you think your team has a better option than him.
Like I could understand if he was just trying to troll us, but he wasn’t. He legitimately thought there were 35-40 centers better than Zibanejad and then tried to push that notion under the rug by saying oh, here’s 30 and some other ones I’d argue that aren’t close in reality.
I’m sure you could agree that it’s just stupid.
Absolutely agree. It's pointless. And something tells me that he didn't watch zibanejad last year at all lol. I got the pleasure of owning Mika in my fantasy pool and I couldn't beleive his production across all stats we tracked. The addition of panarin and kakko will only mean bigger things for him. The fact you guys paid a price of Brassard for him makes things even better lol
Lmao
Right, because Zibanejad on a team starved for offense scored 30 goals and 70 points while playing great two way hockey.
Kadri hasn’t hit 70 points. Kadri wouldn’t be the Rangers 1C if he was here and you’re fooling yourself if you think he’d take the 2C in Colorado over Zibanejad.
Just stop.
So if we make the 2nd round (which is actually quite likely to happen), we'd be giving up a 1st round pick; a prospect; AND taking Smith's contract? That's extremely bad for Colorado.Staal isn't going anywhere. So take Smith instead. Smith, Kreider for 2 2nds + Prospect. (2020/2021 picks) If you make the 2nd round of playoffs the 2020 second becomes a 1st, the 2021 is dropped. Not even sure that's legal...
Bury Smith. Buy him out. Put him on the 4th line. Do what you want with him.
Ideally I'd want more for Kreider than potentially 2 seconds and a prospect if a team got him for an entire season, but we need to clear some cap as well.
I read trochecks stats wrong my bad I'd still take him over zib and as for the rest of these excuses for why those players better seasons don't matter is laughable also my list had 36 players I feel are better than zib no goal posts were moved by me you can disagree with the guys I listed but the number I stated add up I said somewhere around 35 and I have him at 37 and I'm pretty sure we're getting no where so I'm not gonna argue with you anymore good luck to your rangers you guys have done a fantastic rebuild and Im very high on your team moving forward I just don't think zib is as good as you do1. Trocheck played 55 games and had 34 points. Do some better research the next time.
2. Larkin is just over 3 years younger. He turns 23 in 11 days. Not a “huge” gap by any means. Larkin has also been in the league for a while.
3. Who cares if Draisaitl is playing wing? If he’s playing the WING then he’s a WINGER and isn’t included in this conversation. You made the parameters and then want to move the goalposts?
4. Again the discussion is about right now, so you keep talking about what happened 5 years ago as if it matters when it doesn’t. Duchene scoring 70 points in 2014 has exactly what bearing on this very moment?
5. Monahan has played with Gaudreau from his 2nd season until now. If you flip flop the two of them, the results would favor Zibanejad. Stop acting like Gaudreau has nothing to do with Monahan’s production.
6. Couturier didn’t crack 70 points until he started playing with Giroux and Zibanejad despite not having any type of comparable talent with him, put up almost identical numbers to Couturier this year.
Yes, but is guarantee that if you bomb, you don't give up a great 1st. So the risk isn't as bad if you end up with injuries or take a step back. The prospect is also less than a prospect tier we'd ask without Smith.So if we make the 2nd round (which is actually quite likely to happen), we'd be giving up a 1st round pick; a prospect; AND taking Smith's contract? That's extremely bad for Colorado.
I read trochecks stats wrong my bad I'd still take him over zib and as for the rest of these excuses for why those players better seasons don't matter is laughable also my list had 36 players I feel are better than zib no goal posts were moved by me you can disagree with the guys I listed but the number I stated add up I said somewhere around 35 and I have him at 37 and I'm pretty sure we're getting no where so I'm not gonna argue with you anymore good luck to your rangers you guys have done a fantastic rebuild and Im very high on your team moving forward I just don't think zib is as good as you do
I haven't changed my stance I'm not gonna why don't you go tweet at a writer or scout and see what they say... Will Schouch and Tom Hunter both said they'd put him no higher than 25 and that it becomes very debatable between the next 10 or so guys I'll take their opinions over yoursYou don’t have to think he’s as good, but you’re fooling yourself if you think there are 30+ centers that are better than him at this very moment, which was what the argument was.
Yes, but is guarantee that if you bomb, you don't give up a great 1st. So the risk isn't as bad if you end up with injuries or take a step back. The prospect is also less than a prospect tier we'd ask without Smith.
Even if it's "just" two 2nds the acquisition of Smith would mean that someone like Zadorov would have to leave to make room, so it's not worth it at all. Colorado doesn't even have a 2020 2nd round pick currently either.Yes, but is guarantee that if you bomb, you don't give up a great 1st. So the risk isn't as bad if you end up with injuries or take a step back. The prospect is also less than a prospect tier we'd ask without Smith.
The vote for #8 prospect is currently ongoing:[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Position Player Draft 2019 Rank 2018 Rank Change RD Cale Makar 2017 #4 1 (96.7%) 1 0 LD Bowen Byram 2019 #4 2 (98.1%) - - C Alex Newhook 2019 #16 3 (60.0%) - - RD Conor Timmins 2017 #32 4 (57.8%) 3 -1 RW Martin Kaut 2018 #16 5 (92.6%) 2 -3 C Shane Bowers 2017 #28 (TR) 6 (76.6%) 4 -2 C Vladislav Kamenev 2014 #42 (TR) 7 (52.1%) 6 -1
I don't think either team has given up on their respective player.