Race for the Calder
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Don’t get your hopes up, they’ll find a way to leave Robertson out of the top 3
Thought id give this a bump. There are some other threads about some individual players specifically, but looks like we have a genuine race here now. To me it looks like 2 out of the 3 finalist spots are almost locked..
Kaprizov- with 37 pts in 44 games played (18 goals 19 assists). Leads rookies in goals and points. Well documented how great he has been all season.
Jason Robertson- 33 pts in 39 games played (13 goals, 20 assists) leads rookies in assists and ppg at .85 (kap a hair 2nd at .84)
Both rookies would be on pace for a 70 pt season if it was an 82 game schedule. (And they played all games).
I think Kaprizov still has a slight lead for the Calder, but Robertsons pace sinch March 1 has been enormous. Both players have 12 games left.
Other candidates who could be the 3rd finalist
Josh Norris - 29 pts in 46 games played (13 goals 16 assists). Tied for 2nd in rookie goals and 3rd in points, leads rookies in powerplay points.
Ty Smith- 21 pts in 44 games played (2 goals 19 assists). 2nd in assists among ALL rookies. Has twice as many points as the next highest rookie defenseman. Been consistant all year against key matchups of opposing fwds.
Kevin Lankinen - has cooled off recently but had a fantastic start and middle to season. 16 wins from 33 starts, 2nd in wins, 5th in saves% and has 180 more saves than any other rookie goalie this season.
Igor Shesterkin - 13 wins from 24 starts, 2nd in saves % among rookie goalies
Its been a quality season for rookie goalies, could make a case for Nedjelkovic, Sorokin, Kahkonen,Vanecek and Oettinger all have had great seasons but might not have enough starts to be ahead of Lankinen or Shesterkin.
What are peoples thought on who will be this years finalists with 10-12 games left.
Finalists to me are
Kaprizov
Robertson
Lankinen
Ty Smith and Norris falling just short at moment but a strong stretch could have them in the conversation.
Thoughts?
Kaprizov- with 37 pts in 44 games played (18 goals 19 assists). Leads rookies in goals and points. Well documented how great he has been all season.
Jason Robertson- 33 pts in 39 games played (13 goals, 20 assists) leads rookies in assists and ppg at .85 (kap a hair 2nd at .84)
Both rookies would be on pace for a 70 pt season if it was an 82 game schedule. (And they played all games).
I think Kaprizov still has a slight lead for the Calder, but Robertsons pace sinch March 1 has been enormous. Both players have 12 games left.
Other candidates who could be the 3rd finalist
Josh Norris - 29 pts in 46 games played (13 goals 16 assists). Tied for 2nd in rookie goals and 3rd in points, leads rookies in powerplay points.
Ty Smith- 21 pts in 44 games played (2 goals 19 assists). 2nd in assists among ALL rookies. Has twice as many points as the next highest rookie defenseman. Been consistant all year against key matchups of opposing fwds.
Kevin Lankinen - has cooled off recently but had a fantastic start and middle to season. 16 wins from 33 starts, 2nd in wins, 5th in saves% and has 180 more saves than any other rookie goalie this season.
Igor Shesterkin - 13 wins from 24 starts, 2nd in saves % among rookie goalies
Its been a quality season for rookie goalies, could make a case for Nedjelkovic, Sorokin, Kahkonen,Vanecek and Oettinger all have had great seasons but might not have enough starts to be ahead of Lankinen or Shesterkin.
What are peoples thought on who will be this years finalists with 10-12 games left.
Finalists to me are
Kaprizov
Robertson
Lankinen
Ty Smith and Norris falling just short at moment but a strong stretch could have them in the conversation.
Thoughts?
Dr Pepper
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Definitely a two-horse race now, I'd say.
Agreed, edge most likely still goes to Kaprizov but Robertson is on a heater and could add to it with a few more solid games against Detroit this week.
I'd swap out Lankinen with Smith or Norris, but the rookie goalie crop can't be overlooked I guess. Plenty of solid choices out there.
Agreed, edge most likely still goes to Kaprizov but Robertson is on a heater and could add to it with a few more solid games against Detroit this week.
I'd swap out Lankinen with Smith or Norris, but the rookie goalie crop can't be overlooked I guess. Plenty of solid choices out there.
Pavel Buchnevich
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I've pushed back against some Minnesota fans declarations about Kaprizov having won the award so early, but as I always said, I thought Kaprizov was having a very solid season.
However, looking into the numbers more, I'm less impressed now than before. I didn't realize that he leads Minnesota in TOI/G amongst forwards, and PP TOI/G. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player, but these people that whine about who his center is or that he leads the team in points per game, if he's the best forward and best PP forward, which those numbers suggest, why would any of that be a good excuse for the best player? Maybe for a sheltered 18 year old rookie, like Stuetzle, that needs a lot of help to prop him up, but I don't buy it for the guy who a coach deploys as his best forward and offensive forward. And thats on a playoff team, it's not the best forward and offensive forward on the worst team in the league.
Robertson is putting up a better points per game number, although very minimally, than Kaprizov. But he's doing that with much less TOI/G, and much less PP TOI/G. Robertson also has good advanced stats. I'd characterize Kaprizov's advanced stats as average. Both guys have the exact same PDO, which is also a pretty high PDO. Thats before you get to the goalies.
As I said, Kaprizov has been good, and I'm not doubting that, but this crowning he got very prematurely has been exposed when a forward, like Robertson, whose not exactly putting up a historic rookie season has come onto the scene a little later into the season, and is outperforming Kaprizov's season.
However, looking into the numbers more, I'm less impressed now than before. I didn't realize that he leads Minnesota in TOI/G amongst forwards, and PP TOI/G. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player, but these people that whine about who his center is or that he leads the team in points per game, if he's the best forward and best PP forward, which those numbers suggest, why would any of that be a good excuse for the best player? Maybe for a sheltered 18 year old rookie, like Stuetzle, that needs a lot of help to prop him up, but I don't buy it for the guy who a coach deploys as his best forward and offensive forward. And thats on a playoff team, it's not the best forward and offensive forward on the worst team in the league.
Robertson is putting up a better points per game number, although very minimally, than Kaprizov. But he's doing that with much less TOI/G, and much less PP TOI/G. Robertson also has good advanced stats. I'd characterize Kaprizov's advanced stats as average. Both guys have the exact same PDO, which is also a pretty high PDO. Thats before you get to the goalies.
As I said, Kaprizov has been good, and I'm not doubting that, but this crowning he got very prematurely has been exposed when a forward, like Robertson, whose not exactly putting up a historic rookie season has come onto the scene a little later into the season, and is outperforming Kaprizov's season.
Mind you, Robertson had a full year to adapt to the Stars system as he played in their AHL team before being called up this season. Kaprizov could only practice for a few games last season and a training camp, which a bunch of new faces were introduced, this season. Robertson had 60+ games to play with the Stars and their coaches. They had a much more hands on approach with Robertson.
Dr Jan Itor
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Yes, Roberston has caught Kaprizov.
No, Roberston wasn't in the conversation 6 weeks ago.
That's how these things work all the time.
I mean Alexis Lafreniere was the odds-on favorite to win at the beginning of the season and he's probably not even in the top 10 of rookies. Also early on Suter was in conversation and then...well...
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HarrisonFord
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It’s amazing that Kakko can be in his 5th NHL season and that would be considered his rookie year going by Kaprizov’s situation.
It's amazing that Kakko was a 2nd overall pick and that Kaprizov was a 5th round pick - or that some college kids are considered 'rookies' when they have 4 years of college and a season in the AHL.
BTW Kakko had a year of pro experience before being selected 2nd overall.
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Romanov is an interesting piece for the Russian international team and Montreal but as a 21 y/o dman he can’t be racking enough points for the calder but he’s one of the best rookie.
Hasn’t Norris forced his way into the top 3 by now?
ppg over the last 5 weeks. Plays centre - which everyone tells us is March harder to break in as - and is matched up against McDavid, Schiefle, Matthews, Horvat etc.
ppg over the last 5 weeks. Plays centre - which everyone tells us is March harder to break in as - and is matched up against McDavid, Schiefle, Matthews, Horvat etc.
So PB’s new argument is that KK is the best forward on his team, thus, he shouldn’t win the Calder. Kape.
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Pavel Buchnevich
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Please show where I said that.
Of course, you won't be able to. I never said that, but thanks for wasting everyone's time.
Nikki Potnick
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Mind you, Kaprizov is 2 years older than Robertson and has been playing professional hockey against men for 3 more season than Robertson.
And Robertson played on North American ice for more than 5 years.
We can keep playing this game.
How many CHL players have won the Calder in the past 10 years? 20 years? How many International players? How many Russian players have actually made an impact their first year in North America?
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