Race for the Calder

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MuckOG

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Also very convenient. It was important while Kahkonen was having his best stretch, but only four games in the last month, a stretch where he has a .909 SV%, and now its not important to include them because Kahkonen is no longer as relevant, and thus not worth adding goalies into the competitors for Kaprizov.

Among goalies Kahkonen is still relevant. But when comparing all the goalies, which one's numbers stand out above everyone else? Some have better SV% than others, while having worse GAA than others. There's a group of about 5-6 goalies that are all comparable. How do you rank them?

IMO, none of the goalies I listed can compare to the season Kaprizov is having.....nearly PPG (.89) and leading his playoff-bound team in scoring since the 1st week of the season.

If you have a case for someone else, by all means PRESENT IT.
 
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Looks like it's not just the fanbase.

Yeah, because many so-called "journalists" haven't had a mind of their own, and repeat the same talking points you see in a thread like this that there shouldn't be any discussion about the contenders. It's only relevant when one player plays well. It's not worth discussing the award when the others do. It's mindless, and we all need to be transparent about what's going on. Kaprizov has done nothing to be so far ahead of everyone else. It's arguable he's not even having the best season, depending on what criteria you view as important.
 

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Kaprizov will take the Calder, barring injury.
 
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Yeah, because many so-called "journalists" haven't had a mind of their own, and repeat the same talking points you see in a thread like this that there shouldn't be any discussion about the contenders. It's only relevant when one player plays well. It's not worth discussing the award when the others do. It's mindless, and we all need to be transparent about what's going on. Kaprizov has done nothing to be so far ahead of everyone else. It's arguable he's not even having the best season, depending on what criteria you view as important.
Why does it offend you so much, that the rookie leading in points, performing as the most important player on his entire team, succeeding in every phase of the game, is being lauded by his own fans and by the national media in a trophy race most everyone agrees he's leading in?

Can't you let people just enjoy what's happening on the ice and discuss this in peace? Why are you trying to force a narrative that doesn't exist and just let it play out?

If someone comes from behind and steals it so be it... that means they're going to have to grab attention quickly at this point as the remaining games gets fewer and fewer.

It will either happen or it won't, and this thread will ultimately have zero impact on it.

Let everyone enjoy the success their rookies are having.
 
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ThatGuy22

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You know thats not true.

How much has Tolvanen been talked about? 15 points in 19 games since the start of March, and he had 14 points in 16 games in March

How much has Nedeljkovic been talked about? He played 9 games in March. He had a .935 SV%, and took 17 points out of 18 during the month.

How much has Robertson been talked about? He had 16 points in 17 games in March. He has 18 points in 21 games since the start of March.

How much has Shestyorkin been talked about? He's 5th in SV% and 5th in GSAA among goalies who've played 1000 minutes (36 goalies).

As I said, let's just be transparent. One group reports heavily on how their team's player is playing, usually only mentioning the positive. The others don't report very much on how their team's players are performing. That shouldn't confuse anyone about the status of the race. There are other players who could win the award. Others, depending on how one views what's important in deciding the award, might have a better case for it than Kaprizov. It's simply not being voiced in this thread, so some are of the belief that there aren't other rookies having good seasons.

The only times players were being talked about was Stuetzle because he was a very high pick. Smith was being talked about because he's a first round pick. Some were excited about Lafreniere's chances before the season because he was the first overall pick. You simply haven't gotten much reporting on some of the other contenders that weren't high picks or weren't even drafted. The only exception has been Kaprizov because of how excited Wild fans were that he joined their team this season.

Tolvanen has been talked about quite a bit the last week or so. He had such a slow start, he had a lot of ground to make up before he was in the conversation. He's done that and is now getting talked about.

There are 50 references in this thread to Robertson since March 9th, he also started behind the eightball due to Covid derailing the Stars start to the season. By the time he got his first point 4 games into the season on Feb 7th, there were multiple players with 10+ points. It took time for him to get in the conversation.

Goalies are a little bit of a different problem. Ones that were hot early like Lankinen and Kahkonnen have either fallen off or stopped playing as much. There are just so many muddled in a similiar area and they mostly seem to be splitting time.

Like, Nedeljkovic has good numbers. He's also only played 14 games. That doesn't get you into the conversation for the award when there is a forward near PPG. I could see Shesterkin as a finalist if he gets the bulk of the work down the stretch (given how bad Georgiv has been) and holds his numbers, but as of now he hasn't played the majority of the Rangers games.

As far as your last line, the exception isn't Kaprizov because we are excited he joined our team. The exception is Kaprizov because he's a nightly highlight real, that has been consistent all season. If Ty Smith had kept up his scoring, you can be sure Devils fans would be here every day as well. If Robertson keeps it up and closes some of the 10 point gap, Dallas fans will be in here daily as well.

As it is, in 35 games Kaprizov has 10 more points and 6 more goals than anyone else. It's significant.
 

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Somebody is trying really hard to be a contrarian but there is nothing there. The race for the Calder is being talked about like a one sided race because that is what it is right now.
 

ThatGuy22

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Convenient.



Also very convenient. It was important while Kahkonen was having his best stretch, but only four games in the last month, a stretch where he has a .909 SV%, and now its not important to include them because Kahkonen is no longer as relevant, and thus not worth adding goalies into the competitors for Kaprizov.

So post it yourself. Make your case for Shesterkin.

Yeah, because many so-called "journalists" haven't had a mind of their own, and repeat the same talking points you see in a thread like this that there shouldn't be any discussion about the contenders. It's only relevant when one player plays well. It's not worth discussing the award when the others do. It's mindless, and we all need to be transparent about what's going on. Kaprizov has done nothing to be so far ahead of everyone else. It's arguable he's not even having the best season, depending on what criteria you view as important.

Same talking points like leading all rookies in like all relative stats? Those talking points?

Who is being prevented from making a case for someone else?

What's more plausable, a grand conspiracy by Wild fans to undeservedly prop up Kaprizov in the Calder thread on the main board or posters aren't pumping up their players because they concede it's Kaprizov's to lose at this point?
 
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On pace for 73 points to Panarin 77 while doing it younger, and Kaneless. Panarin won over McDavid not because his season was more impressive, but because this award has historically been given to who has the most points. Kaprizov would have to be well under half a point per game/get injured and Tobertson would have to go at like a point per game down the stretch to catch him in points.
 

MuckOG

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Yeah, because many so-called "journalists" haven't had a mind of their own, and repeat the same talking points you see in a thread like this that there shouldn't be any discussion about the contenders. It's only relevant when one player plays well. It's not worth discussing the award when the others do. It's mindless, and we all need to be transparent about what's going on. Kaprizov has done nothing to be so far ahead of everyone else. It's arguable he's not even having the best season, depending on what criteria you view as important.

This is literally false. Fans of Lankinen, Stutzle, Robertson and Ty Smith have many posts presenting the case for their players.

....and what criteria do YOU view as important?
 

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Ty Smith with two assists tonight which makes him the rookie with the most Assists.

I'm also surprised by where Sharangovich and Kuokkanen are in the current rookie standings. They are doing better the some of the players that other posters said were "Calder Worthy" in this thread.
 

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I’m merely pushing back on the faulty narratives. Kaprizov has done nothing to have locked this race up, yet the thread is quiet when he doesn’t score and then when he does apparently he’s won the award. The updates we were getting from a Wild fan for the statistical leaders have stopped, and this thread is bumped almost every time when Kaprizov or Kahkonen plays well. Others aren’t bumping it for their team’s players.

Kaprizov is 38th in PPG, T28 in total points. Second on his team in PPG. It’s a good season, but award locked up? You’d think he’s one of the top scorers in the league the way some discuss his position compared to everyone else. There’s still a long way to go. Many players who can win it. No reason for this faulty narrative to be spread. While some try to push it, we should at least be transparent about what’s going on.
Dude... you are trying WAY too hard.
 

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Among goalies Kahkonen is still relevant. But when comparing all the goalies, which one's numbers stand out above everyone else? Some have better SV% than others, while having worse GAA than others. There's a group of about 5-6 goalies that are all comparable. How do you rank them?

IMO, none of the goalies I listed can compare to the season Kaprizov is having.....nearly PPG (.89) and leading his playoff-bound team in scoring since the 1st week of the season.

If you have a case for someone else, by all means PRESENT IT.

Especially when you look at his teammates scoring or lack there of.
 

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0 chance of that happening. The Devils are bottom feeders and Wild are a play off team. That will be considered too. The impact of Kaprizov is much more noticeable.

They seldom look at standings for rookie of the year, but I have no doubt Kaprizov wins over Smith for sure
 

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0 chance of that happening. The Devils are bottom feeders and Wild are a play off team. That will be considered too. The impact of Kaprizov is much more noticeable.

Shhh.... Don't tell Pavel B. that
 

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0 chance of that happening. The Devils are bottom feeders and Wild are a play off team. That will be considered too. The impact of Kaprizov is much more noticeable.

Age and position could play a larger factor for some voters, but I wouldn’t expect it to be enough. Plus the Kaprizov hype machine has been going since the start, which helps a lot.
 

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I think the fact that Ty Smith is playing like this for a bottom feeder is actually even more impressive. I mean, what a crappy environment that must be to play in and yet as a rookie he is one of the only players they have been able to rely on game in/game out.

I still think Kaprizov wins, I'm just saying that I am not ruling Smith out. He is playing too well and doing it as a defenseman.
 
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