Player Discussion Quinn Hughes, Pt. VI

[CpatainCanuck]

He needs a steady stay at home partner like Tanev, we are missing him badly.

QH has been so bad defensively this year

 

[Breakers]

I can't explain why it works, but it does.
this organization needs a middle man between the analytics department and coaching
@WTG said his numbers were stabilizing with Benn, to the point they were going back to good.

Hughes with Benn
Minutes: 176
xGF%: 54%
xGF per 60: 3.33
xGA per 60: 2.75
Numbers trending up

Hughes with Hamonic
Minutes: 78
xGF%: 42%
xGF per 60: 2.49
xGA per 60: 3.38
Numbers trending down

Hughes with Myers
Minutes: 84
xGF%: 36%
xGF per 60: 2.14
xGA per 60: 3.81
numbers trending down

 

[MrOT]

How many time have we seen this? Pettersson wide open and Hughes trying to shoot through 10 guys from the point. Like he did last night with 2 minutes left and an empty net. I think it's because he still has a fringe hope of being the top dog on the Canucks. Some sort of internal competition going on.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Had some great shifts in this game, controlling the O zone pressure. Breaks up lots of neutral zone attacks.
Watching Huggy walk the line, then watching anyone else is a lol.

 

[Chimpradamus]

How many time have we seen this? Pettersson wide open and Hughes trying to shoot through 10 guys from the point. Like he did last night with 2 minutes left and an empty net. I think it's because he still has a fringe hope of being the top dog on the Canucks. Some sort of internal competition going on.

Hughes should take a note how Hedman plays the Tampa PP. Most of the time he just instantly moves it sideways to one of their shooters. Not Hughes, it usually takes ages for him to move the puck, if he doesn't decide to shoot it himself with his mighty 3% shooting percentage. Which he does WAY too often.

You yell at players to shoot more. Not with Hughes, you yell at him to NOT shoot.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

Hughes should take a note how Hedman plays the Tampa PP. Most of the time he just instantly moves it sideways to one of their shooters. Not Hughes, it usually takes ages for him to move the puck, if he doesn't decide to shoot it himself with his mighty 3% shooting percentage. Which he does WAY too often.

You yell at players to shoot more. Not with Hughes, you yell at him to NOT shoot.

Yes, the Canucks actually have some guys like Boeser and Pettersson who can really rip the puck. Hughes should only be shooting if that’s the only option the penalty kill has left him.

 

[theguardianII]

Hughes should take a note how Hedman plays the Tampa PP. Most of the time he just instantly moves it sideways to one of their shooters. Not Hughes, it usually takes ages for him to move the puck, if he doesn't decide to shoot it himself with his mighty 3% shooting percentage. Which he does WAY too often.

You yell at players to shoot more. Not with Hughes, you yell at him to NOT shoot.

Ya, grow another 10 inches and add 40 lbs.
His minus numbers grew again. Now on the ice for 37 goals against.

Hughes has great trade value

 

[clay]

The potential emergence of Rathbone as a legit PP1 option who is actually decent at defense could make Hughes expendable. Could get a massive haul for him.

 

[4Twenty]

The potential emergence of Rathbone as a legit PP1 option who is actually decent at defense could make Hughes expendable. Could get a massive haul for him.

Lol

You can’t be serious.

 

[Ita]

The potential emergence of Rathbone as a legit PP1 option who is actually decent at defense could make Hughes expendable. Could get a massive haul for him.

Right, we can absolutely afford to trade him because we have plenty of young elite defencemen.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

An offensive defensemen that relies off elite skating and speed to get back into position. His size will always be a limitation and my fear is that the organization asks him to put on weight which will probably negate the speed he has.

The easiest-not-so-easiest solution is to either find a:
1) Shutdown defensemen, or
2) An elite #1D man

 

[clay]

Lol

You can’t be serious.

Right, we can absolutely afford to trade him because we have plenty of young elite defencemen.

I absolutely wouldn't go down this route until Rathbone showed he was capable of this role in the NHL. But having two elite powerplay quarterbacks would give us the versatility to address other needs.

 

[mriswith]

Hughes needs a legit #2-3 dman who can play the sturdy, defensive partner role for him. Someone he can trust to be predictable and reliably sturdy and who can make a good outlet pass instead of handling the puck like a grenade. Not just for winning games right now, but mainly for development, because it doesn't seem like he's going to be able to learn the defensive side of the game when stuck with bottom pairing dmen who can't even keep their head above water on their own side let alone cover for him.

 

[MS]

Hughes needs a legit #2-3 dman who can play the sturdy, defensive partner role for him. Someone he can trust to be predictable and reliably sturdy and who can make a good outlet pass instead of handling the puck like a grenade. Not just for winning games right now, but mainly for development, because it doesn't seem like he's going to be able to learn the defensive side of the game when stuck with bottom pairing dmen who can't even keep their head above water on their own side let alone cover for him.

Dylan Demelo would have been such a nice acquisition at such an affordable price, either for a 3rd rounder at the deadline or during the summer for $3 million.

 

[Vector]

Is there anyway to see how many SH and EN goals against Hughes has been on the ice for? Ideally compared to the other defencemen and top-6 forwards.

 

[sting101]

Is there anyway to see how many SH and EN goals against Hughes has been on the ice for? Ideally compared to the other defencemen and top-6 forwards.

Use Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Just put in the situations you want and add filters

Quinn Hughes is far and away the worst XGA/60 in the entire league amongst top4 usage D. He also is top 3 in offensive zone starts.

At even strength he's garbage in his current usage.

 

[Vector]

Hughes is a team worst with 5GA with an empty net (Horvat, Miller, Pearson, and Myers are second with 4GA) and he's been on the ice for only 1 SH goal against. I was wondering if the empty net and SH goals against would have any impact on his +/- considering his numbers are wildly worse than the rest of the team. The conclusion is that they have very little impact, maybe accounting for an extra goal against compared to his teammates.

Use Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Just put in the situations you want and add filters

Quinn Hughes is far and away the worst XGA/60 in the entire league amongst top4 usage D. He also is top 3 in offensive zone starts.

At even strength he's garbage in his current usage.

Some not-so surprising names pop-up on the other end of the spectrusm for xGA/60 and xGF/60. Stecher and Tanev have the best xGA/60 for defencemen with Stecher having a pretty big lead over everyone. Edler has the second best xGF/60 among defencemen. Holy hell are Hughes defensive advanced stats bad. When I was talking about this year being very important for him to take a step up defensively while maybe slowing down a little offensively, this is what I was talking about. No matter how many points he gets he's bleeding goals against.

 

[VanJack]

It may come as shock to the Canucks coaching staff, but other NHL teams do watch film. They can see what Hughes was doing to them last year, and they've devised a forecheck strategy to take that away this season.

The book on Hughes is that he'll constantly overhandle the puck, and will cough it up under relentless forechecking pressure. And that's exactly what's been happening.

And when he gets stripped of the puck in the neutral zone....look out. His regular d-partner Jordie Benn isn't nearly quick enough to cover up for his mistakes.

So while Hughes is still wracking up points on the pp.....his five-on-five play has hit the ditch. And unless the Canucks coaches can help him adapt, he's in for a tough year. But he's a player with so much latent talent and hockey sense, eventually he'll figure it out. Just a temporary sophomore slump imo.

 

[Regal]

Hughes should take a note how Hedman plays the Tampa PP. Most of the time he just instantly moves it sideways to one of their shooters. Not Hughes, it usually takes ages for him to move the puck, if he doesn't decide to shoot it himself with his mighty 3% shooting percentage. Which he does WAY too often.

You yell at players to shoot more. Not with Hughes, you yell at him to NOT shoot.

Yea, Hughes really needs to realize that he's not going to be an elite defenseman at this level by relying so heavily on his skating, stickhandling and misdirection to create space. He needs to make quicker passes with the puck to not give teams time to adjust.

 

[Knight53]

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

He really has been noticeably bad defensively this season. Excellent offensively, of course.

 

[lawrence]

once again solid numbers from Quinn based on advanced stats. Last game, he wasn't even on for the most shots against 5v5 against he jets. He lead the team in puck possession. Lead the team in SF 5v5, and was like 6th on Shots against, which is good, other dmans are giving up more 5v5 shots on goal when they are on the ice.

Today he was on for 11 shots attempts, and 10 shots against, in 5v5 ice time. in terms of shots attempts on us 5v5, Hughes was not even the worst. There were 8 guys who gave up shot attempts 5v5 then Hughes, meanwhile he was 2nd best on shot attempts it was Travis Hamonic 5v5 out there we had 18, 2nd place was Quinn with 17. Puck possession wise, every time Quinn was out there we controlled it 58% of time, but guess what, Hamonic has a 66% puck possession, that said, Quinn was a -1, lol, anyways, looking at it my gosh, the Canucks played really well today.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Yup, been real gud, and getting real better. Would have a massive lead in D scoring if we had a real PP coach.

Gets caught watching the cycle, but is the best Dman on the team at NOT turning the puck over in his own zone.

Getting unlucky with the +/-, meaningless stat.

 

[theguardianII]

The Canucks, Benning if he is here, have to be very careful they are not getting into another Eriksson type situation.
Eriksson was signed to be a scoring forward, but didn't making him a overly expensive decent defensive player, but that was not what was needed.

Hughes is a dynamic skater but over all his games in Vancouver has not shown a propensity for winning board battle, one on one strength battles, front of net or even fighting for the puck.
His skating and puck handling do make him a danger on the PP but Green has been hampered by his really poor defensive play.
At least 8 losses can be directly laid at Hughes lack of defensive play.
Losses that Horvat, Miller, Green have to answer to.
In one of the few Hughes post games interviews he thought he played well but was out of position for 3 of the 4 goals scored when he was on the ice.
This is disturbing because he did get a PP point.
It shows that he might not be the team player fans would like or the team is trying to cover up.
How often are forwards commenting on playing better defensively, getting the puck out of the zone quicker, clearing the front of the net, being sharper in the dzone.

These are forwards in the dzone, all of them saying this.

Hughes isn't even being talked about as a Norris candidate because while points do count playing good to decent defence is a requirement

If giving away 7 mil as season for a dman, then give Buffalo Boeser for Dahlin, even retention or 3rd pick is needed he is a more rounded defenceman and compatriot of Pettersson who already stated he thought playing with Petey would be fantastic.

Just don't get into another Eriksson fiasco.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

We're going to have to pay Hughes more than market value to get him here long term. Just a feeling I have.

I could see them opting for a bridge. Maybe 3 years @ $7 million per?