Quebec still in discussions.

[Stumbledore]

Only after they kept repeating the same thing over and over with very little substance behind it.

That sounds like the typical 12 year old: "Well, they started it."

 

[BKIslandersFan]

We could make a drinking game out of how many times you've dissed someone's opinion .

Thats ALL you've been doing here.

 

[TheLegend]

Gentlemen.....

Let’s move on. I’ve had my say and I’m not moving off of it, and this is just sending the discussion further off the rails.

 

[Stumbledore]

Gentlemen.....

Let’s move on. I’ve had my say and I’m not moving off of it, and this is just sending the discussion further off the rails.

Well, if you're going to start name-calling with terms like gentlemen...

 

[TheLegend]

Well, if you're going to start name-calling with terms like gentlemen...

AND Gentlemoose.....

 

[Blue Warriors]

8.4M is the entire province, half of these people live in Montreal.

Yes, Quebec City is a small market. However, when you consider that there’s only one major pro team ( 2 with the MLS) for 8,5 million people in the province and that Florida has 9 major pro teams ( 11 with MLS) for 21,5 million people, you get the feeling that there’s untapped potential. There were many Nordiques fans all across the province.

 

[garbageteam]

Manitoba only has 1.4 million people and support the Jets fine. Quebec with 8.5 million would have no problem whatsoever with 2 NHL teams.

 

[Masked]

Well, it is a small market with high and steady demand. So, I do not think it is a bad idea per se.

Quebec and its surroundings is about as big as Ottawa.

No. The Ottawa metro area is about 50% bigger in population than the Quebec City metro area.

 

[Ernie]

No. The Ottawa metro area is about 50% bigger in population than the Quebec City metro area.

and considerably wealthier.

Ottawa / Gatineau Metro GDP: $86bn CAD
Quebec City Metro GDP: $43bn CAD

As a comparison to other Canadian franchises:
Toronto: $395bn (doesn't include the rest of the Southern Ontario area)
Montreal: $200bn
Vancouver: $138bn
Calgary: $101bn
Edmonton: $87bn
Winnipeg: $41bn

One of the dumbest things on this message board is the idea that the Sens would move to QC, especially with Ottawa being so amenable to a new stadium in the downtown area.

 

[MNNumbers]

and considerably wealthier.

Ottawa / Gatineau Metro GDP: $86bn CAD
Quebec City Metro GDP: $43bn CAD

As a comparison to other Canadian franchises:
Toronto: $395bn (doesn't include the rest of the Southern Ontario area)
Montreal: $200bn
Vancouver: $138bn
Calgary: $101bn
Edmonton: $87bn
Winnipeg: $41bn

One of the dumbest things on this message board is the idea that the Sens would move to QC, especially with Ottawa being so amenable to a new stadium in the downtown area.

What is the latest on the new round of RFPs with respect to LeBreton Flats? I haven't heard anything lately...

And, you are right. Ottawa moving to QC is possible, but only if LeBreton is developed without an arena.

 

[Masked]

And, you are right. Ottawa moving to QC is possible,

Might want to up either your reading comprehension or writing. That's the exact opposite thing he posted.

 

[Pandemonia]

One of the dumbest things on this message board is the idea that the Sens would move to QC, especially with Ottawa being so amenable to a new stadium in the downtown area.

Very very far from the dumbest thing.

 

[Pandemonia]

What is the latest on the new round of RFPs with respect to LeBreton Flats? I haven't heard anything lately...

And, you are right. Ottawa moving to QC is possible, but only if LeBreton is developed without an arena.

Last 2 emails to Tobi Nussbaum's office got promises to let me know when announcements about to happen. Since then just crickets.

 

[Ernie]

Very very far from the dumbest thing.

You really love throwing out things without any sort of justification, don't you?

 

[Pandemonia]

You really love throwing out things without any sort of justification, don't you?

Calling something dumb is an opinion, dont require any justification to think something is dumb or dumber.

 

[Mightygoose]

What is the latest on the new round of RFPs with respect to LeBreton Flats? I haven't heard anything lately...

And, you are right. Ottawa moving to QC is possible, but only if LeBreton is developed without an arena.

The LeBreton redevelopment has been on pause since April due to the Pandemic. The goal was to have final approval by the end of the year and then start sending out RFP.

It's to be done over stages with a piece of land set aside for an arena, but there was never a timetable on which pieces of land (except for the Library district) would get done. it's a long way from a resolution either way.

 

[hockeyguy0022]

and considerably wealthier.

Ottawa / Gatineau Metro GDP: $86bn CAD
Quebec City Metro GDP: $43bn CAD

As a comparison to other Canadian franchises:
Toronto: $395bn (doesn't include the rest of the Southern Ontario area)
Montreal: $200bn
Vancouver: $138bn
Calgary: $101bn
Edmonton: $87bn
Winnipeg: $41bn

One of the dumbest things on this message board is the idea that the Sens would move to QC, especially with Ottawa being so amenable to a new stadium in the downtown area.

Wait until you remember back in 2009-2013 there was 2 separate ownership groups trying get phoenix to Saskatoon....

 

[TheLegend]

Wait until you remember back in 2009-2013 there was 2 separate ownership groups trying get phoenix to Saskatoon....

Only one group.... and it was to play five "home games" there.

 

[dkitson16]

Yes, Quebec City is a small market. However, when you consider that there’s only one major pro team ( 2 with the MLS) for 8,5 million people in the province and that Florida has 9 major pro teams ( 11 with MLS) for 21,5 million people, you get the feeling that there’s untapped potential. There were many Nordiques fans all across the province.

But most of those 8.5M people don't live close enough to drive to a Tuesday night game in Quebec City after work. Comparing franchise numbers and populations between states and provinces is pointless when determining what pro teams a city can support. Metro population or urban area are far better indicators, though they each have their flaws. And the NHL is a gate driven league. TV viewers are nice but people in the seats pay the bills.

 

[Pandemonia]

Only one group.... and it was to play five "home games" there.

So 5 there where's the rest played?

 

[MNNumbers]

So 5 there where's the rest played?

The franchise would still have been "Phoenix". It was an option for 'alternate' home games under the IA ownership.

 

[TheLegend]

So 5 there where's the rest played?

Coyotes bid includes Canada games

 

[hockeyguy0022]

So 5 there where's the rest played?

There was actually two separate groups, not both at once, along the way, and they both wanted to move Phoenix to Saskatoon, however they would have settled for this "5 game" thing.

It's simply a soft relocation ploy to say, same thing Bronfmans are doing with Tampa Bay/Montreal in the MLB now.

The MASSIVE key issue was that the USD/CAD was par or the CAD was better at the time.

As everyone mentions now, the dollar difference hits all Canadian pro teams hard and the CFL for players.

Saskatoon is currently building a new rink in 4-7 years likely similar to the Videotron center. There's 4 locations debated downtown and a tenative budget of around 450 million currently. Sasktel center is currently the same/larger then MTS in winnipeg. (MTS added 100 seats last year simply to say it's larger... but wasn't.)

 

[Stumbledore]

Saskatoon is currently building a new rink in 4-7 years likely similar to the Videotron center. There's 4 locations debated downtown and a tenative budget of around 450 million currently. Sasktel center is currently the same/larger then MTS in winnipeg. (MTS added 100 seats last year simply to say it's larger... but wasn't.)

TNSE said that the added seats were to capitalize on increased demand for "premium access" and indeed all of them were snatched up by STH.

Any source for your "simply to say it's larger" swipe?

 

[TheLegend]

There was actually two separate groups, not both at once, along the way, and they both wanted to move Phoenix to Saskatoon, however they would have settled for this "5 game" thing.

Ice Edge Hockey was one group..... I posted the link above. And they never wanted to move the team to Saskatoon.

Bear in mind I've been following all this since 2009. Aside from Jerry Reinsdorf, Greg Jameson, Matthew Hulsizer, Bill Gallacher, Darin Pastor (bet not many remember him), Jim Balsillie, Andrew Barroway, and now Alex Meruelo..... those who actually put bids in....... what group that never got past the tire kicking stage is the other????