LegionOfDoom91
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Not true he signed before 35 but it's an extreme case of wishful thinking if anybody thinks he's retiring any time soon & forfeiting the money left on his contract.
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Not true he signed before 35 but it's an extreme case of wishful thinking if anybody thinks he's retiring any time soon & forfeiting the money left on his contract.
Stizzle
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I believe he is owed another big bonus on July 1st, and after this season I think his actual dollars per year drops quite a bit. Can anyone confirm this? Yes I know retirement is wishful thinking on my part. But I don't think it's that far of a stretch. He's made a ton of money in his career and will be collecting checks from his buyout in TB for a very long time. Him getting healthy scratched could very well push him in that direction.
Beef Invictus
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Let's say Vinny picks up where he left off last year. What are the rules for burying a contract in the minors? Does cap amount remain only if they're 35+?
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I know that; I'm trying to figure out what the rules for cap retention are when you bury someone in the AHL.
MiamiScreamingEagles
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I remember the issue arose in part last season (Meszaros). Does this help answer your query?
http://articles.philly.com/2013-10-...-meszaros-flyers-last-season-oliver-lauridsen
LegionOfDoom91
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It drops a little bit but not to the point where it's peanuts at the end. Capgeek is down right now so I can't say for certain but I believe the last year he's still making a couple of million since the deal was signed after the lockout so you can't front load it a whole ton.
I just don't see him quitting any time unless something really drastic happens. If you try to force his hand it could easily backfire on you & get ugly to the point where Vinny could just collect his checks out of spite. The Flyers made their bed with this contract & now they have to lie in it, there won't be any easy ways out of it.
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BringBackHakstol
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What a total disaster of a contract by homer. Glad he left us with 10 million of cap hit in 3rd pairing/4th line level players in amac and Vinny. Bang up job.
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Seriously, the fact that we have 12.5 million in cap space wasted on Vinny, Grossmann, and Umberger drives me crazy.I honestly would not be upset if Hextall traded Vinny + 2nd for a 7th round pick just to get him off the roster. Can't stand to watch him skate in a flyers sweater.
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Vinny was Homer's sexy signing after missing the playoffs. PR ploy more than anything. Flyers have been too enamored with the big name when they are well past their prime. Just like with Bryz they didn't do their due diligence. Guy wasn't really a need to blow money on after getting our get out of jail free cards with Bryz and Briere. Homer had to leave his legacy with a bad contract and possibly two with Amac. I think with Hextall he will not be as impulsive nor will we experience a big trade fiasco..fingers crossed.
Going by the last page, I"m guessing Lecavalier is his standard breed of horrible. Not really sure why people were optimistic he'd look competent this season going by his last season and seasons before that of regression (I mean, I know why the thought was there, just not sure why people think it's realistic).
Just tuned in for the last PP, but Akeson looked really nervous and uncomfortable on the PP there. Hopefully he settles a bit.
Just tuned in for the last PP, but Akeson looked really nervous and uncomfortable on the PP there. Hopefully he settles a bit.
As far as Vinny goes, apart from what I believe to be a totally unrealistic view that he could rebound into something overall good, best use of him is to flat-out use him as more or less a PP specialist. When he's set up on the PP he still has a bazooka of a shot and if he's on the PP there's really no need to worry about his defense or backchecking. Just set him up as a turret, a la what Washington does with Ovechkin on the PP to an extent.
Trying to make Lecavalier useful at ES, again presuming his play this preseason and last year all keeps on going, is a lost cause I think. He plays the most important forward position defensively and regardless of where he is he's still a player out there and if he's a liability defensively then that's an advantage for the other team regardless of who his linemates are. It's only compounded by our lack of top D. He shouldn't be at C because he can't win face-offs or play defense, he can't play wing because he says he can't play wing and I guess is a bit worse there. It just won't work, doesn't matter who his linemates are.
If we had a D like Pronger back there I guess we could just throw Lecavalier out there and expect for his liabilities to be covered for to an extent, but as is there's no hiding it really. So just put him on the PP as much as possible.
Trying to make Lecavalier useful at ES, again presuming his play this preseason and last year all keeps on going, is a lost cause I think. He plays the most important forward position defensively and regardless of where he is he's still a player out there and if he's a liability defensively then that's an advantage for the other team regardless of who his linemates are. It's only compounded by our lack of top D. He shouldn't be at C because he can't win face-offs or play defense, he can't play wing because he says he can't play wing and I guess is a bit worse there. It just won't work, doesn't matter who his linemates are.
If we had a D like Pronger back there I guess we could just throw Lecavalier out there and expect for his liabilities to be covered for to an extent, but as is there's no hiding it really. So just put him on the PP as much as possible.
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All this crybaby exaggeration is boring as **** to read after one preseason game. MacDonald is a second pairing guy and Vinny is not a 4th liner.
BringBackHakstol
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I don't give a **** about this game. The game changed nothing
Sorry to get in the way of you breaking out your pompoms for the season.
Could be worse, we could still have Hartnell's even longer contract. I am tired of always having at least 1 horrible contract on this team though. I really hope Hextall stays true to his word and doesn't become a free spender like Holmgren.
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I love how people shrug MacDonald off as a massive burden that Holmgren left for Hextall. As if Hextall wasn't sitting in the room when that trade call was made. Or when the extension was offered. 
And had Holmgren traded Hartnell for Umberger, this forum would have collectively **** a brick.
And had Holmgren traded Hartnell for Umberger, this forum would have collectively **** a brick.
I love how people shrug MacDonald off as a massive burden that Holmgren left for Hextall. As if Hextall wasn't sitting in the room when that trade call was made. Or when the extension was offered.
And had Holmgren traded Hartnell for Umberger, this forum would have collectively **** a brick.
Well, for all you know Hexy could have been against it. It's ultimately Holmgren's call, so he gets the blame.
As for the Hartnell trade, I liked it from day 1 and didn't understand the outcry over it but people have seem to come around on it.
Random Forest
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And for all you know, Hextall could have been MacDonald's biggest advocate and recommended both the move and the contract extension. Which is my point. We don't know.
What we do know is that Hextall was a senior executive when it happened, so assuming it was one last turd sandwich force fed to Hextall is a totally disingenuous narrative. Both Homer and Hextall knew the extension would have lasting implications on Hextall's term as GM, so I find it hard to believe they'd go through with it without a consensus there.
It's also pretty disingenuous to say Hextall was simply fine with it. Most of us are kind of accepting of the MacDonald contract simply because we were desperate for NHL D in a huge way. A situation created by years of management by Homer. So, I don't really care if Hextall was in the room. The situation that demanded he be signed was a direct result of years of Homers management. Still on Homer that it was necessary to begin with.
I also don't know why Homers free agent contracts need any defending. Currently dealing with Umberger as an extension of Hartnell, MacDonald, and Lecavalier all because of him (one way or another) and that's not including the fact that he had his ass saved by the lockout in dealing with Bryz's contract.
Homer had his talents. Or his regime did at least. Free agent contracts and the handling of the cap weren't really huge bright spots.
I also don't know why Homers free agent contracts need any defending. Currently dealing with Umberger as an extension of Hartnell, MacDonald, and Lecavalier all because of him (one way or another) and that's not including the fact that he had his ass saved by the lockout in dealing with Bryz's contract.
Homer had his talents. Or his regime did at least. Free agent contracts and the handling of the cap weren't really huge bright spots.
Random Forest
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You misunderstand me. I'm not trying to defend Holmgren. He had very obvious flaws, and I'm not burying my head in the sand and ignoring them. I'm only saying it's a little ridiculous how people suggest that Holmgren served Hextall a raw deal with regard to MacDonald. I find it hard to believe Hextall was either not consulted at all OR didn't approve of the deal and forced to watch it happen anyway.
Also, in absolutely no way was the MacDonald deal a necessity. The D is/was in ****** shape, but that deal did not need to happen. For a whole host of reasons that I don't think I need to get into here.
Based on everything Hextall has said since becoming GM ( I know they're only words right now) I highly doubt it. But yes, I don't know, you don't know, nobody here knows for sure besides management, so there's really no point in debating it. Everyone can have their own belief.
