Post-Game Talk: PS #2 - 09/29/16 | devils @ RANGERS | 7:00 PM - MSG

[Levitate]

And if Kreider plays like he did in his preseason game I would be shocked if he doesn't sore 30 goals...

Maybe setting the bar high there but he was really engaged and using his skating ability

 

[Machinehead]

CKs per 60 goal scoring, playmaking, point production, shot generation, relative possession, etc have all been trending upwards (last time i checked)...every year all those stats seem to get better...year after year.

No. He sucks and he's inconsistent and not engaged. Bust AINEC.

 

[TheGuarantee]

 

[mas0764]

I think you are underestimating just how bad Girardi was...

He was literally, the worst defenseman in the NHL last year, out of 306 defensemen, and 6 of those defensemen played for Patrick Roy who ran a system of letting way too many shots through.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?rep...&sort=shotAttempts&active=1&aggregate=0&pos=D

There is no such thing as Girardi "bouncing back", not in the way people frame it out to be. Girardi Bouncing Back means back to the 14-15 season levels, which is abysmal to begin with, means he'll be bouncing back from ECHL level defending to 7th defenseman levels... Just because he's going from really ****** to only a little ****** doesn't mean he's actually better to the point where he can contribute

This sounds like hyperbole.

 

[YoSoyLalo]

Am I the only one that thought Buch looked better than Vesey last night? This despite much worse quality of teammates?

Eh, probably. Vesey was awesome last night. He was all over the ice. Buch was quietly impressive, though, as he was against NYI. He seems like the kind of player who will have very good possession stats.

 

[YoSoyLalo]

Was trying to think of who Gilmour reminds me of stylistically, and finally I realized he looked a lot like Brian Campbell out there.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

The Rangers forward group is as deep, fast, and skilled it's been this side of 2000.

Going to be really interesting to see how it all shakes out.

Pirri has to be a lock. But Jensen and Gerbe have also impressed me.

 

[Kovalev27]

Like I've said there's no way Fast is better than Gerbe or Jensen just isn't. Both are like night and day better pkers than him as well.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Was trying to think of who Gilmour reminds me of stylistically, and finally I realized he looked a lot like Brian Campbell out there.

I really liked what I saw out of Gilmour. No, inferno, I'm not pencilling him into the lineup. But, he's very good at moving the puck, has a hard shot, and skates very well. Very good signing by Grots.

 

[darko]

I have ahead of fast

Zucc
Nash
Miller
Stepan
Zibanejad
Pirri
Kreider
Buchnevich
Hayes
Vesey
Grabner
Gerbe
Jooris
Lindberg
Lapierre
Hrivik
Jensen
Kovacs
Stromwell
Glass

Well that's just stupid.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Eh, probably. Vesey was awesome last night. He was all over the ice. Buch was quietly impressive, though, as he was against NYI. He seems like the kind of player who will have very good possession stats.

Yeah, Vesey was everything he's been advertised.,,very good skater, strong on the puck, smart plays all over the ice, and he's fearless.

 

[Kovalev27]

Well that's just stupid.

I was half kidding but clearly you Struggled with that.

Looking at it again though prob only Stromwell and Kovacs are actually behind him from what I've seen. Maybe Glass

 

[Kovalev27]

Yeah, Vesey was everything he's been advertised.,,very good skater, strong on the puck, smart plays all over the ice, and he's fearless.

He's a better skater than I realized personally

 

[TheTakedown]

This sounds like hyperbole.

is it, though? Check the stats for yourself.

5v5 stats ONLY:

Girardi was on the ice for 1359 shots against, and 970 shots for.

If you look at shot DIFFERENTIAL, Girardi is -389. If you exclude colorado's defenseman (which you should--Roy's system is an abomination to hockey itself), the next person on the list Andy Greene, (on a terrible NJD team), who is -254...

that's a 113 shot attempts' against DIFFERENCE, and the Rangers actually *made* the playoffs (better overall team obviously).

Look at the defensemen in that realm of "bad" and you'll see what Girardi compares to--they are either rookies, players on god-awful goaltending/defensive teams, or over the hill vets.

If this doesn't scream to you "7th defenseman levels", I don't know what does. Girardi is NOT good anymore. It's apparent in his preseason play, it's been apparent for 2 years now, and I can't see him trending anywhere but flatlining. Maybe a SMALL uptick, but even then, going from really bad to kinda bad--that's not really a net improvement on the team as a whole

 

[YoSoyLalo]

I really liked what I saw out of Gilmour. No, inferno, I'm not pencilling him into the lineup. But, he's very good at moving the puck, has a hard shot, and skates very well. Very good signing by Grots.

Yup, he easily has NHL potential. Really like his game.

 

[NYR]

This sounds like hyperbole.

That par for the crash course around here lol

 

[DanielBrassard]

I dont know how, with all of the numbers, and with watching the Rangers anyone could say Girardi hasn't been one of the worst D in the league.