Rumor: Provorov looking for $10M per season

[Accelleratii]

He is not comparable to Ekblad and shouldn't get more than 6M per.

Ekblad is actually a pretty good comparable.

 

[Video Coach]

Like Starat said, most people are hoping for 7.5-8M. I'm thinking he signs for the 8-8.5M like you said.

Giving Provorov a bridge would mess with the Flyers salary cap in a few years when they have Sanheim, Konecny, Hart, Myers, and Patrick to pay. Couturier also would need an extension as well.

Yeah, hard to see him coming down to $7.5-8 IF he's at $10 now. It'll be interesting to see it play out. Love his game.

 

[Curufinwe]

After the flyers knowingly over paid Hayes, this agent probably figured it was worth a shot.

I hear Hayes is also why Marner and Rantanen and Laine and Tkachuk and McAvoy and Werenski haven't signed yet, either.

 

[TheBluePenguin]

Every time I see posts like these I can only start crying thinking about how much Petro is about to get PAID next year

 

[sansabri]

Travis Sanheim likes this.

 

[Curufinwe]

8x8 is pretty fair considering how contracts go nowadays. 10 is flat out bat-**** crazy

8x8 would have been fair if he had put in another season like 17-18, but he didn't. I'd much rather see Provorov sign for 3 x $5.XM than anything long term that's at $8m.

And $8m wouldn't leave enough room to sign Konecny this year.

 

[Curufinwe]

Every time I see posts like these I can only start crying thinking about how much Petro is about to get PAID next year

Since your team just won the Cup, you should not be crying about anything like that for about five years.

 

[Merrrlin]

yeah and I also want $10 mil per year. We both have about an equal chance of getting it.

Actually, he has a lot better chance of getting it than you do.

The Ekblad comp is up to $8.37 mil, when adjusted for inflation. The Flyers are probably offering less than that on an 8 year term. Provorov's camp is likely asking for more to counterbalance that. Nothing to freak out about.

Glad there is some reason in this thread. He's asking 10 but I am guessing he actually sees 9x8 or 8.5x8 as a realistic landing spot.

He's a #1 dman who plays well on both sides of the puck. Almost 20-25 last season, I could see him peaking as a defensively sound 20-40 guy in his prime. Worth 8 million+, especially if the cap goes up.

 

[LeafChief]

Will we get a 12 version mega-thread regarding this?

 

[Merrrlin]

8x8 would have been fair if he had put in another season like 17-18, but he didn't. I'd much rather see Provorov sign for 3 x $5.XM than anything long term that's at $8m.

And $8m wouldn't leave enough room to sign Konecny this year.

3x5 seems unrealistic. Maybe 3x6.5? Seems fair considering usage.

 

[Curufinwe]

Those aren't realistic numbers, unless you expect Fletcher to trade Konecny for picks.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

He is not comparable to Ekblad and shouldn't get more than 6M per.

It's the chicken and the egg, or as it is known in the hockey world, the Ceci and the egg.

"He's not a top pairing defenseman, he shouldn't be paid like one"

Then why is he being deployed like a top pairing defenseman?

If a team deploys a player like a star, they give that player the argument to be paid like a star. If that player isn't good enough, then why are they being deployed that way?

I'm not saying it's impossible for a player who is not a top pairing defender to be deployed like one. We saw an extreme case of that with Cody Ceci who played over 23 minutes a night against top competition for two straight seasons.

So PHI could push back and bridge Provorov, but if they keep playing him 25 minutes a night, he's going to continue to have this argument to be paid like a top pairing defender. If the Flyers don't want to pay him, then he's going to walk straight to free agency. It would be complete mismanagement. It would be a similar timeline to the Trouba situation. Although I don't remember if Trouba was a case of the player or the team not wanting to commit. Contract wise, it'd be similar. The team saves money with a series of short term deals, but is then faced off with selling low on the player or losing them for nothing.

If PHI plays him like a top pairing guy, they will have to eventually pay him like a top pairing guy. They might as well do it now before the cap goes up more.

 

[Curufinwe]

3x5 seems unrealistic. Maybe 3x6.5? Seems fair considering usage.

If it's realistic for Werenski, it should be realistic for Provorov.

 

[Curufinwe]

It's the chicken and the egg, or as it is known in the hockey world, the Ceci and the egg.

"He's not a top pairing defenseman, he shouldn't be paid like one"

Then why is he being deployed like a top pairing defenseman?

If a team deploys a player like a star, they give that player the argument to be paid like a star. If that player isn't good enough, then why are they being deployed that way?

I'm not saying it's impossible for a player who is not a top pairing defender to be deployed like one. We saw an extreme case of that with Cody Ceci who played over 23 minutes a night against top competition for two straight seasons.

So PHI could push back and bridge Provorov, but if they keep playing him 25 minutes a night, he's going to continue to have this argument to be paid like a top pairing defender. If the Flyers don't want to pay him, then he's going to walk straight to free agency. It would be complete mismanagement. It would be a similar timeline to the Trouba situation. Although I don't remember if Trouba was a case of the player or the team not wanting to commit. Contract wise, it'd be similar. The team saves money with a series of short term deals, but is then faced off with selling low on the player or losing them for nothing.

If PHI plays him like a top pairing guy, they will have to eventually pay him like a top pairing guy. They might as well do it now before the cap goes up more.

Sanheim might well be the better LHD out of the two.

 

[Henkka]

The Ekblad comp is up to $8.37 mil, when adjusted for inflation. The Flyers are probably offering less than that on an 8 year term. Provorov's camp is likely asking for more to counterbalance that. Nothing to freak out about.

Does it go like, if Flyers offer 7M and you ask for 20M, they settle for 14M ?

Why not asking 100M.

 

[McRpro]

Provorov looking to provorob the Flyers.

 

[Starat327]

It's the chicken and the egg, or as it is known in the hockey world, the Ceci and the egg.

"He's not a top pairing defenseman, he shouldn't be paid like one"

Then why is he being deployed like a top pairing defenseman?

If a team deploys a player like a star, they give that player the argument to be paid like a star. If that player isn't good enough, then why are they being deployed that way?

I'm not saying it's impossible for a player who is not a top pairing defender to be deployed like one. We saw an extreme case of that with Cody Ceci who played over 23 minutes a night against top competition for two straight seasons.

So PHI could push back and bridge Provorov, but if they keep playing him 25 minutes a night, he's going to continue to have this argument to be paid like a top pairing defender. If the Flyers don't want to pay him, then he's going to walk straight to free agency. It would be complete mismanagement. It would be a similar timeline to the Trouba situation. Although I don't remember if Trouba was a case of the player or the team not wanting to commit. Contract wise, it'd be similar. The team saves money with a series of short term deals, but is then faced off with selling low on the player or losing them for nothing.

If PHI plays him like a top pairing guy, they will have to eventually pay him like a top pairing guy. They might as well do it now before the cap goes up more.

We played Hagg like a top 4 guy, and he isnt getting paid like a top 4.

Provorov's minutes need to be cut, plain and simple. His usage moving forward should see a pretty sizable downtick, now that we have a decent, well-balanced D core.

 

[Dooble08]

8x8 would have been fair if he had put in another season like 17-18, but he didn't. I'd much rather see Provorov sign for 3 x $5.XM than anything long term that's at $8m.

And $8m wouldn't leave enough room to sign Konecny this year.

A bridge deal would be terrible for the Flyers. Especially where they have already bridged Sanheim and seem to be on track to bridge Konecny.

It would, we could pay Provorov 8M, pay Konecny 6M (which is high) and trade Hagg. We would be cap compliant then.

 

[Starat327]

A bridge deal would be terrible for the Flyers. Especially where they have already bridged Sanheim and seem to be on track to bridge Konecny.

It would, we could pay Provorov 8M, pay Konecny 6M (which is high) and trade Hagg. We would be cap compliant then.

We'd still technically be 300K short if we have a 13th forward. we'd need to run 12F and 7D for that to work out.

 

[junyab]

Love the HockeyDB point stat scouting report HIers are doing right now.

 

[Curufinwe]

A bridge deal would be terrible for the Flyers. Especially where they have already bridged Sanheim and seem to be on track to bridge Konecny.

I would rather bridge Provorov than Konecny. Provy seems to want way too much on a long term deal after a disappointing 3rd season. Provorov is very unlikely to blow up points-wise in the next few years considering Ghost and Sanheim are both much better on the PP.

And trading Hagg would not be enough to pay Provy + TK $14m. Replacing Hagg on the roster with a forward only saves a few hundred thousand dollars.

If you pay them $12m combined, it only leaves $633,254 in cap space. That's with NAK and Vorobyev as the 12th and 13th forwards. If you trade Hagg for a pick, and make Andreoff the 14th forward, then the cap space goes up to $1,033,254.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I want 10
They gave 6
We will bridge at 8

end

 

[KingPuckChoo]

yeah and I also want $10 mil per year. We both have about an equal chance of getting it.

i'd still bet on Provorov over Blue Dream, no disrespect

 

[Starat327]

I want 10
They gave 6
We will bridge at 8

end

I think i know what you mean, but there is no 'bridge' at 8m. if hes getting 8m, its on at least 7 years.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

3x5 seems unrealistic. Maybe 3x6.5? Seems fair considering usage.

That seems rather high to me. Trouba, the seemingly rare quality defenseman that was an RFA the year before his earliest UFA date, got a 2 year bridge at 4.11% and then a 1 year deal at 6.92%. Put it together and that equates to a 3 year deal at a $4.11 mil AAV at an $81.5 mil ceiling.