Tuomisto again. He is not as good of an athlete (or skater) as Wallinder, but is a much better hockey player at this point. The ranking of Buium ahead of Tuo is a perfect example of recency bias. I am not sure there is anything that Buium does better than Tuomisto to be honest, and is skating is not materially (if at all) better than Tuomisto's. If you take the position that Tuomisto will never make it because of his feet, you should probably be saying the same about Buium. Mind you this is coming from the guy who asked for Buium by name on draft day.
God bless the people who are voting for McIsaac here. Honestly, I have no idea what McIsaac actually looks like as a player at this point. If I was watching a Griffs practice without numbered practice jerseys I honestly wouldn't be able to identify him.
It is a good sign for the prospect pool that we are ten deep and Sebrango, Wallinder and Viro are still on the board. We may not have any super high-end, elite prospects, but we do have really solid depth in terms of defensive prospects. Here is to hoping the numbers game works out in our favor.
What?
Buium is a much better skater and puck rusher than Tuomisto.
Totally different players.
I have been basing it on what the prospects have proven so far for these guys. I think Tuo Viro and McIsaac has shown more than the rest. Unfortunately for McIssac its been 2 years since he has shown anything so that knocks him back down.I don't understand why people in this thread have such definitive opinions on the entire lot of McIsaac, Buium, Wallinder, Tuomisto, Viro, Soderblom etc. as if they aren't all the exact same prospect mold. They are guys that are all longer term projects and a lower likelihood of success. They all have significant flaws that will prevent them from playing up in the NHL without some progress to remedy the situation.
There is no right or wrong ranking, it just comes down to which flaws do you think are most easily remedied. Or which upside is more valuable than the risk that the player carries.
I don't understand why people in this thread have such definitive opinions on the entire lot of McIsaac, Buium, Wallinder, Tuomisto, Viro, Soderblom etc. as if they aren't all the exact same prospect mold. They are guys that are all longer term projects and a lower likelihood of success. They all have significant flaws that will prevent them from playing up in the NHL without some progress to remedy the situation.
There is no right or wrong ranking, it just comes down to which flaws do you think are most easily remedied. Or which upside is more valuable than the risk that the player carries.
You are setting yourself up for disappointment if you think that Buium is a plus skater. His skating is without question the weakest part of his game and he is not overly explosive in both absolute and relative terms. I agree that he rushes the puck more than Tuomisto does, but I question whether that will continue to work at the NCAA level.
What drives his upside that much more is that he's one of the more gifted puck moves in this class. His vision combines with his three way mobility and passing skillset.
In Terms of pure puck skills, Shai is right up there with some of the the defenseman in this class, but he can use them while going at full speed
I don't think it's a hot take at all, most of the kids from here on out won't make the NHL. Then again, I voted for Sebrango too.
I have no idea why anyone is voting for McIsaac, he injured his good shoulder on a light hit. He played one shift before his injury. No way he's built to play in the NHL.
And his shoulders blow up when he gets touched. I'd be surprised if he lasts a month in the AHL.Because he can skate.
Because he has IQ.
Because he plays defense.
He's potentially the second best young LD in the system.
And his shoulders blow up when he gets touched. I'd be surprised if he lasts a month in the AHL.
You're ignoring his #1 issue.
This is some of what was written about Buium in The Black Book:
I don't recall anything nearly that complimentary in regards to Tuomisto.
To your original point, to say Buium does nothing better, I think that was not correct to say. Buium has much better puck skills, which is not a surprise given he was converted from forward to defense.
The issue I have is that it wasn't even a big hit, I'll look for the video when I get home. No amount of working out can strengthen ligaments, and I seriously doubt he will wind up playing physical in the NHL considering how fragile his shoulders are.Right now, he's had one significant injury to both shoulders. We don't have any repeat injuries, and the hope is that they are truly one off instances. It's not fair at this point to describe him as having glass shoulders.
We have to see what he looks like coming back after this offseason. I recall reading an article about McIsaac talking about how he hasn't had an offseason to properly train and build his upper body in two years now. This would be the year he can actually work on it. You hope that the injuries were just freak instances and he is able to play uninhibited this year. From a roundness and physical play style, McIsaac is probably the most pre-equipped depth defenseman in the system. The IQ won't look Tuomisto, the mobility won't look like Wallinder...but at the same time, the IQ won't look like Wallinder and the mobility won't look like Tuomisto.
Personally, I am hopeful that McIsaac is able to force Sebrango out of a job and send him back to Kitchener. Sebrango could use the offensive development, and McIsaac should be able to play his way into a prominent role in GR if the shoulders aren't an issue.
The issue I have is that it wasn't even a big hit, I'll look for the video when I get home. No amount of working out can strengthen ligaments, and I seriously doubt he will wind up playing physical in the NHL considering how fragile his shoulders are.
Sebrango has already played twice as many AHL games as McIsaac, and the coaches there appear to trust him. I doubt he gets sent down. I'm not concerned about his offensive game, there's room on this team for a solid 3rd pair stay at home guy, and if he sticks to his game I'm sure we'll see him on the Wings roster eventually. Plus he's got 4 years to work on his game before he's waivers eligible.
No, I'm speculating because of this:I tore my ACL in college, why did my ortho provide a rigorous physical rehab and an extensive PT program to strengthen everything possible in my legs to build a sturdier foundation if working out is pointless and ligaments can't be strengthened? Please note, I am not saying ligaments can be strengthened the way muscles can be, but that training in general is how you can become more capable of handling the rigors. Working out and building muscle is still the best bet he has to mitigate any of those lingering concerns he might have. Will it work? Who knows, but writing him off at 21 because he's injured both shoulders is wholly shortsighted. We have no idea if his problem is chronic or coincidence at this point. You are merely speculating based on your belief that all bodies and all injuries are the exact same, or similar enough that you can jump to the same conclusion.
No, I'm speculating because of this:
19:02 game time, McIsaac is #44 in white.
That is not a hard hit, and now he's had surgery on both of his shoulders. As soon as he makes the league, every team is literally going to test his shoulders. He won't last a season. Heck, I'd be surprised if he makes it through an AHL season.
Add Dower-Nilsson.
The ranking of Buium ahead of Tuo is a perfect example of recency bias.
Söderblom is a pretty bad skater.
And his shoulders blow up when he gets touched. I'd be surprised if he lasts a month in the AHL.
You're ignoring his #1 issue.
Why are people asking to add this years 5th round pick when the 3rd and 4th rounders haven't been added yet? The professional scouts have already shown how they view these players and no hockey has been played since to change that.