Speculation: Projecting the 2021 Seattle Expansion protection list and who the Wild lose

[TaLoN]

ya, was thinking if we exposed fiala and they QOd him, wed get the 2nd overall, save a bunch of cap and theyd get a great winger

No, if the player is left exposed, and they sign them, then that's their expansion draft pick, no compensation.

He would have to be protected to get compensation.

Unless you're suggesting that they'd give us their pick in order to leave him exposed to sign.

 

[GuerinUp]

No, if the player is left exposed, and they sign them, then that's their expansion draft pick, no compensation.

He would have to be protected to get compensation.

Unless you're suggesting that they'd give us their pick in order to leave him exposed to sign.

see thats the confusing part, because even if they arent protected, signing a RFA would mean wed still have a chance to match which would make one think wed still get QO compensation on top of that counting as a pick

 

[TaLoN]

see thats the confusing part, because even if they arent protected, signing a RFA would mean wed still have a chance to match which would make one think wed still get QO compensation on top of that counting as a pick

Not true. The expansion draft trumps the RFA rules.

Left exposed, we're forgoing our rights to him as a RFA. They sign him, he's theirs. To maintain our RFA rights, we have to protect him.

 

[thestonedkoala]

The expansion draft is before the actual draft, os if it is announced that SEA has traded for Fiala's RFA rights from us in lieu of a player, doesn't that mean we would get a 2021 pick? I know the negotiation period is after the draft, but i think i read somewhere that SEA has a period to do it before anyone else.
Well, we'd get either the 1st and 3rd, or 1st, 2nd, and 3rd 2022 picks, depending on how much the offer sheet was. Assuming that they are a bottom 11 team, getting a shot at Wright or Michkov wouldn't be the worst thing. I am not sure how strong the draft is otherwise.

In general, though, losing Fiala would be a setback. As great as Michkov is supposed to be, he won't be able to play over here till 2026. That's a long time to wait...I don't think Kaprizov will.

Yeah, so SEA has an exclusive period from July 18-21(before the NHL draft) where they can negogiate and sign with UFA's and RFA's. If they can sign a player before the NHL draft, I would presume that the picks would be a 2021 ones? Getting the #2oa in this draft would be nice because Beniers would probably be there.

My guess is that (a) the draft picks will still be for next year as that is how the CBA is set up and (b) I think they can only negotiate with an RFA if the Wild allow it.

 

[TaLoN]

My guess is that (a) the draft picks will still be for next year as that is how the CBA is set up and (b) I think they can only negotiate with an RFA if the Wild allow it.

They allow it if they leave them unprotected.

 

[57special]

Not true. The expansion draft trumps the RFA rules.

Left exposed, we're forgoing our rights to him as a RFA. They sign him, he's theirs. To maintain our RFA rights, we have to protect him.

Beniers dream...denied!

 

[Webster]

Is he going to Seattle? Norway Town and Sig Hansen? Hmm...maybe.

We'll see if he waives, I guess this could help the Wild with the cap issues. But Kaprizov won't like it.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Is he going to Seattle? Norway Town and Sig Hansen? Hmm...maybe.

We'll see if he waives, I guess this could help the Wild with the cap issues. But Kaprizov won't like it.

If Zuccs leaves, and Minnesota uses that money to get a top line center, I don't think Kaprizov is going to care at all.

 

[57special]

If Zuccs leaves, and Minnesota uses that money to get a top line center, I don't think Kaprizov is going to care at all.

Cause I can also see MN wanting to play a "heavy" on the other wing to do some of the heavy lifting, and keep the Kap abusers in line. Greenway or Foligno would fit the bill, maybe even Hartman. Don't know for sure what Boldy will be when he grows up...he does good work in the corners and has good size, but is pretty disinterested in the rough stuff from what I have seen.

 

[nickschultzfan]

Cause I can also see MN wanting to play a "heavy" on the other wing to do some of the heavy lifting, and keep the Kap abusers in line. Greenway or Foligno would fit the bill, maybe even Hartman. Don't know for sure what Boldy will be when he grows up...he does good work in the corners and has good size, but is pretty disinterested in the rough stuff from what I have seen.

Teams heavy on wing have little success in the NHL.

• Capitals won nothing until they both Backstrom and Kuznetsov playing at peak levels (via Trotz).
• Tampa hit a ceiling until Point emerged.
• Blues needed ROR.
• Even Blackhawks needed Bolland or Sharp to be retro-fitted as a center.

That said, I am bullish on JEE, Rossi, and Sturm more than most. If you want to replace Sturm with Danault, I am not going to fight you. That is good enough center depth without an Eichel.

 

[Webster]

Cause I can also see MN wanting to play a "heavy" on the other wing to do some of the heavy lifting, and keep the Kap abusers in line. Greenway or Foligno would fit the bill, maybe even Hartman. Don't know for sure what Boldy will be when he grows up...he does good work in the corners and has good size, but is pretty disinterested in the rough stuff from what I have seen.

Well I think Zuccarello can send a signal if necessary. In this gif, despite his limited frame, he takes on tough guy Kolesar. This is part of the reason why he earns a lot of respect from his teammates, and other players in this league.

Btw, Kaprizov can also take care of himself, he doesn't need a bodyguard.

 

[57special]

Teams heavy on wing have little success in the NHL.

• Capitals won nothing until they both Backstrom and Kuznetsov playing at peak levels (via Trotz).
• Tampa hit a ceiling until Point emerged.
• Blues needed ROR.
• Even Blackhawks needed Bolland or Sharp to be retro-fitted as a center.

That said, I am bullish on JEE, Rossi, and Sturm more than most. If you want to replace Sturm with Danault, I am not going to fight you. That is good enough center depth without an Eichel.

Wilson plays on the Caps 1st line. Killorn has been a big part of TBL's success. VGK are all about heavy, effective, wingers. The point is that if you have an Eichel , or a similarly skilled C playing with Kap then you might want a physical guy to play on the other wing. Doesn't mean that he can't be fast, or have some puck skills, but part of his job description will be to win puck battles, back check, and generally stop the other two guys from getting cross checked in the head. Part of what makes Stone so good is that he is a big, mean guy, as well as one that plays great defense, and has great puck skills.

I haven't given up on Greenway yet. I think he needs to get in better shape, as his energy seems to lag, but I can see him being the worst guy on a top line, as long as he has the legs to get back on defense, and in on the forecheck. He is a pretty good passer, and really good at screening goalies. Not glamorous, but useful. Still a work in progress, but not everyone on the team can be pure skill guys.

 

[DANOZ28]

back to thread if dumba is exposed hes gone; talbot or kahk ; soucy / menell ; or greenway / foligno if exposed. just don't give up another tuch deal to protect someone.

 

[Daximus]

Hey guys Jets fan here. Not sure if outside posts are welcome but we have been in deep talks about Seattle's likely picks on our board and it looks like you guys are in a tight spot. It's probably pretty unlikely that you guys do nothing rather than lose Dumba for nothing. I seriously doubt it would happen but what are your thoughts on one of Heinola or Samberg for Dumba straight across trade? Both guys are expansion exempt, both are LHD and both have some experience playing the right side but obviously not their area of strength. Heinola is more of an offensive defencemen PP specialist, Samberg is more of a physical shutdown guy who PKs well. Heinola likely has the higher ceiling, Samberg likely has the higher floor. Heinola is from Finland, Samberg is from Minnesota, not that it matters.

It likely means we expose DeMelo to Seattle which is a no brainer pick for them but we do upgrade our defence in the process. You guys would get a piece that you can develop and could potentially be NHL ready by next year. Most Jets fans have one or both of Heinola/Samberg pencilled into next years lineup though hard to say if one, both or neither of them make the team. I realize in division trades are just completely out of the question for some teams and the value heavily favours the Jets in this scenario.

Is that an option that you guys think would be worth exploring for your GM?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Hey guys Jets fan here. Not sure if outside posts are welcome but we have been in deep talks about Seattle's likely picks on our board and it looks like you guys are in a tight spot. It's probably pretty unlikely that you guys do nothing rather than lose Dumba for nothing. I seriously doubt it would happen but what are your thoughts on one of Heinola or Samberg for Dumba straight across trade? Both guys are expansion exempt, both are LHD and both have some experience playing the right side but obviously not their area of strength. Heinola is more of an offensive defencemen PP specialist, Samberg is more of a physical shutdown guy who PKs well. Heinola likely has the higher ceiling, Samberg likely has the higher floor. Heinola is from Finland, Samberg is from Minnesota, not that it matters.

It likely means we expose DeMelo to Seattle which is a no brainer pick for them but we do upgrade our defence in the process. You guys would get a piece that you can develop and could potentially be NHL ready by next year. Most Jets fans have one or both of Heinola/Samberg pencilled into next years lineup though hard to say if one, both or neither of them make the team. I realize in division trades are just completely out of the question for some teams and the value heavily favours the Jets in this scenario.

Is that an option that you guys think would be worth exploring for your GM?

I think we'd be more open to the #17 pick, but Samburg actually wouldn't be that bad of a Soucy replacement (figuring he goes to Seattle if we go 7-3-1 and Dumba isn't around). Dumba for Samburg isn't fair for us, but Dumba for Samburg + #17 probably goes too far the other way. Maybe Dumba for Samburg + 2021 2nd + earlier of your two 2022 3rds?

As far as what our GM is going to do, I think a lot of us our mentally preparing to lose Dumba for nothing under the guise of cap space and 'we were going to lose a good player no matter what', which sucks.

If #17 isn't an option, then I think something like this is in the area of 'acceptable/tolerable' but probably wouldn't be my Plan A, B or C.

 

[Bazeek]

Hey guys Jets fan here. Not sure if outside posts are welcome but we have been in deep talks about Seattle's likely picks on our board and it looks like you guys are in a tight spot. It's probably pretty unlikely that you guys do nothing rather than lose Dumba for nothing. I seriously doubt it would happen but what are your thoughts on one of Heinola or Samberg for Dumba straight across trade? Both guys are expansion exempt, both are LHD and both have some experience playing the right side but obviously not their area of strength. Heinola is more of an offensive defencemen PP specialist, Samberg is more of a physical shutdown guy who PKs well. Heinola likely has the higher ceiling, Samberg likely has the higher floor. Heinola is from Finland, Samberg is from Minnesota, not that it matters.

It likely means we expose DeMelo to Seattle which is a no brainer pick for them but we do upgrade our defence in the process. You guys would get a piece that you can develop and could potentially be NHL ready by next year. Most Jets fans have one or both of Heinola/Samberg pencilled into next years lineup though hard to say if one, both or neither of them make the team. I realize in division trades are just completely out of the question for some teams and the value heavily favours the Jets in this scenario.

Is that an option that you guys think would be worth exploring for your GM?

It wouldn't be my first choice but it's worth considering. If we trade Dumba and lose Soucy our LD depth will look pretty thin, and it'd be nice to have someone a little older than O'Rourke and Hunt in the mix. If Heinola or Samberg can handle 3rd pairing minutes next year they'd probably get the chance.

Frankly I think the Jets would need to add or they'd just get outbid, but I could be wrong. Dreger seems to think there are a half-dozen teams sniffing around Ristolainen right now and I can't imagine the market for Dumba is any worse.

 

[Daximus]

I think we'd be more open to the #17 pick, but Samburg actually wouldn't be that bad of a Soucy replacement (figuring he goes to Seattle if we go 7-3-1 and Dumba isn't around). Dumba for Samburg isn't fair for us, but Dumba for Samburg + #17 probably goes too far the other way. Maybe Dumba for Samburg + 2021 2nd + earlier of your two 2022 3rds?

As far as what our GM is going to do, I think a lot of us our mentally preparing to lose Dumba for nothing under the guise of cap space and 'we were going to lose a good player no matter what', which sucks.

If #17 isn't an option, then I think something like this is in the area of 'acceptable/tolerable' but probably wouldn't be my Plan A, B or C.

I think the Jets would probably consider anything that doesn't include current roster players if it meant upgrading the RHD which seems to be their #1 priority this offseason.

 

[Daximus]

It wouldn't be my first choice but it's worth considering. If we trade Dumba and lose Soucy our LD depth will look pretty thin, and it'd be nice to have someone a little older than O'Rourke and Hunt in the mix. If Heinola or Samberg can handle 3rd pairing minutes next year they'd probably get the chance.

Frankly I think the Jets would need to add or they'd just get outbid, but I could be wrong. Dreger seems to think there are a half-dozen teams sniffing around Ristolainen right now and I can't imagine the market for Dumba is any worse.

Yeah it's really hard to say what's going on behind closed doors. NJ has the spots to protect Risto without losing anyone of importance. Jets are already going 7-3 route while protecting Morrissey, Pionk and deMelo on the backend likely losing one of Appleton or Stanley in the process but I have a hard time seeing Seattle pass on DeMelo, especially if Dumba is off the board as the next best RHD are Zaitsev and Subban. I'd imagine the Jets are likely sniffing around Risto as well.

 

[Bazeek]

I think the Jets would probably consider anything that doesn't include current roster players if it meant upgrading the RHD which seems to be their #1 priority this offseason.

And I think Minnesota would (or should) be open to anything that involves decent futures/young players and minimal cap coming back. Obviously the market dictates the price, but I don't think one of those LD is a bad starting point.

Edit: Whoops, thought this was replying to me. Same difference, though.

 

[57special]

Yeah it's really hard to say what's going on behind closed doors. NJ has the spots to protect Risto without losing anyone of importance. Jets are already going 7-3 route while protecting Morrissey, Pionk and deMelo on the backend likely losing one of Appleton or Stanley in the process but I have a hard time seeing Seattle pass on DeMelo, especially if Dumba is off the board as the next best RHD are Zaitsev and Subban. I'd imagine the Jets are likely sniffing around Risto as well.

I'd do Samberg before Heinola, myself, but I'd need more than that. As noted above, your 1st is probably too much, so either a 2nd, or a 1st from a later year. If I was WPG I wouldn't want to be losing Samberg, though. They need some size on their suddenly smaller, non physical, D. And no offense, but I also wouldn't worry about losing Demelo, especially if you are replacing him with Dumba.

 

[Daximus]

I'd do Samberg before Heinola, myself, but I'd need more than that. As noted above, your 1st is probably too much, so either a 2nd, or a 1st from a later year. If I was WPG I wouldn't want to be losing Samberg, though. They need some size on their suddenly smaller, non physical, D. And no offense, but I also wouldn't worry about losing Demelo, especially if you are replacing him with Dumba.

Our GM loves his tall defencemen and it's pretty likely he tries to get Oleksiak in FA. They wanted him from Dallas but Dallas kept him to try and make the playoffs. If we go after Dumba and Oleksiak we likely roll with something along the lines of.

Morrissey - Dumba
Oleksiak - Pionk
Stanley - Heinola

Not horrible, not amazing. But passable for now.

 

[Daximus]

And I think Minnesota would (or should) be open to anything that involves decent futures/young players and minimal cap coming back. Obviously the market dictates the price, but I don't think one of those LD is a bad starting point.

Edit: Whoops, thought this was replying to me. Same difference, though.

It's heavily speculated that the Jets prefer Samberg for what he brings and they will dangle Heinola but I could see them being okay with moving Samberg if it gets them a piece they can work with in Dumba.

 

[GuerinUp]

would you guys trade fiala for the 2nd OA and the ability to choose who seattle selects?

 

[DeagleJenkins]

would you guys trade fiala for the 2nd OA and the ability to choose who seattle selects?

Possibly. It’s a very interesting idea

 

[GuerinUp]

Possibly. It’s a very interesting idea

i agree, would have your beniers (if you want him) or a great trade chip, shuffle wing depth for center for kap, and can have them take rask or something with their pick. I think that might be a win on both sides potentially.

i might post this in the forum to soo feedback