Pre-Game Talk: Preds @ Jets • Sat, Mar 23 @ 6:00 pm CT • Sportsnet

[Tom ServoMST3K]

Biggest regular season NHL game ever.

 

[Duke749]

You know, it’s not so much that our underlining stats are a problem, it’s more the obvious bad habits the guys have fallen into and the worry that they can’t get out of them when it counts. We won’t really know until the playoffs.

And idk, I just find the idea of playing at the same high level year after year consistently very hard to do at the top level. I think teams and players are going to have ups and downs even from season to season. Consistently playing at a top level is rare. It’s what separates superstars from all time greats. Cup winners from dynasties.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

This rivalry keeps getting feistier. Jets win this they clinch, if Nashville wins they tie, I think they could possibly both clinch at once if we lose (I hope not). But the one thing to expect is a bloodbath.

The best grit we have I think is Lowry.

 

[SUX2BU]

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Beat the Mustard Tigers and make PK sad! GJG!!!!

Looks like he's having a zen pizz ....

 

[Heldig]

Just listened to Burke and MacLean on Hockey Central (as we all know a Sportsnet Toronto centric talk show about the "NHL") whining about how there's something off about the Jets and their effort against Vegas last night. Not once did they mention that the Jets' top 2 defencemen are hurt and out nor that it was the second of a back to back game of a 3 game road trip in which the Jets won 2 of the 3. If it had been the Leafs in the same situation they would have thrown out all sorts of positive vibes on the loss. Just blows me away that these two are supposed to know something about hockey. And to boot, if the Jets beat Nashville Saturday they'll have absolutely nothing to say about it on Monday, depending how the Leafs do over the week-end.

But they are not really wrong, are they?

The Jets have looked off most of the season. They more resemble the team of 2 years ago than the one last year. Yes fatique and injuries are a factor lately but they have had an entire season of meh. How many games have they been completely outclassed? At least 10 by my count. How many games have they been outplayed but won? Probably 6 or more games where the consensus was, "well its 2 points. A win is a win."

Even in the winning streaks they have not looked nearly as dominant (most of the time) as the record indicates nor like they were last year.

 

[SUX2BU]

Change your saying to "Save us Bogdan Kissjkflajslfroiafvich"

 

[cbcwpg]

Shot attempt differential by season ( SF - SA )

2019: -170
2018: 224
2017: -101
2016: 191
2015: 334
2014: 9
2013: -47
2012: 49

This season is the Jets worst ever for having more shot attempts against than for. We are off... just not playing the same.

 

[cbcwpg]

Teams that think they can just "flip the switch" come playoff time end up golfing more often than not before the other teams that were playing well going into the playoffs.

The only saving grace to me is Nashville has been off this season just as much as the Jets.

So is this game a battle of the best of the worst, or the worst of the best?

 

[Duke749]

Teams that think they can just "flip the switch" come playoff time end up golfing more often than not before the other teams that were playing well going into the playoffs.

The only saving grace to me is Nashville has been off this season just as much as the Jets.

So is this game a battle of the best of the worst, or the worst of the best?

Do you have data to back this up?

We’re first in the division. We can’t be the worst. Get the f*** outta here with that bs.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I say we will win again but Nashville won't end up far behind us by the end of the season in total points . Really would like us to win these last 4 home games before going on the road for the last 4 . Clenching big time now . Friggin Sportsnet tomorrow to, damnit .

Not clenching until after tomorrow's game.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Well they’ve been on cruise control half the year with nothing to prove in the regular season.

They could have been playing for home ice advantage. How long has TBL been in cruise control?

 

[The Blue Baron]

Change your saying to "Save us Bogdan Kissjkflajslfroiafvich"

Can we just go with “Kisser”? You like it simple don’t ya?

 

[tbcwpg]

Just listened to Burke and MacLean on Hockey Central (as we all know a Sportsnet Toronto centric talk show about the "NHL") whining about how there's something off about the Jets and their effort against Vegas last night. Not once did they mention that the Jets' top 2 defencemen are hurt and out nor that it was the second of a back to back game of a 3 game road trip in which the Jets won 2 of the 3. If it had been the Leafs in the same situation they would have thrown out all sorts of positive vibes on the loss. Just blows me away that these two are supposed to know something about hockey. And to boot, if the Jets beat Nashville Saturday they'll have absolutely nothing to say about it on Monday, depending how the Leafs do over the week-end.

Some of our own posters ignore no Buff or Morrissey also.

 

[The Blue Baron]

Look on the bright side Jets fans we could be yammering Blue Jacket fans on here! LOL

19 years and will not have ANY playoff success! Even Jets 1.0 were way better than that!

We’re spoiled here because of Chevy’s brilliance. Sure he’s made the odd mistake but wow what a drafting record thus far.

The CBJs are sunk for years to come with trading many of there tops picks and prospects for a few rentals. Not to mention there’s no way there top guys are not resigning there. Loyal fan base to boot!

 

[Duke749]

They could have been playing for home ice advantage. How long has TBL been in cruise control?

Tampa is a massive anomaly. Nothing about that team is normal or like anything we’ve seen in over two decades.

 

[Jaffray15]

Shot attempt differential by season ( SF - SA )

2019: -170
2018: 224
2017: -101
2016: 191
2015: 334
2014: 9
2013: -47
2012: 49

This season is the Jets worst ever for having more shot attempts against than for. We are off... just not playing the same.

There are bigger factors then us just "Being off". Big part of the season without Byfluglien and Morrissey is huge. Plus, no Enstrom (As soft as he was), was good at keeping shots against low.

On the Forward side, losing Ehlers for a chunk of the season makes SF a lot lower.

 

[JetsFan815]

Some of our own posters ignore no Buff or Morrissey also.

Toronto Maple Leafs who most here would say have worse defensive depth than us, lost Dermott on Feb 28th and Gardiner has been out since long before that. Kapanen has also been hurt and been in and out of the lineup during this period. Kadri also missed games in this stretch. This is how their record ranks in that period, for comparison I have also put the Jets record. I have also added the San Jose Sharks who have missed Kane and Karlsson in the same stretch

Team	CF% Rank	FF% Rank	SF% Rank
Maple Leafs	9th	17th	15th
Sharks	7th	8th	8th
Jets	28th	25th	27th

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

It is not that Buff and/or Morrissey are ignored, it is that others might be overestimating how much our suckage is due to missing those two.

Also this argument that "some expect Jets to play in top gear all season" is also not right. I don't expect the Jets to play like the playoffs every game, I however do expect the Jets to not be a bottom-5 team hanging out with lottery teams like LA and NY but expect them to hang out with their peers like Nashville, Sharks, Calgary, St Louis or at the very least other low end playoffs teams like Dallas and Arizona.

 

[kanadalainen]

Toronto Maple Leafs who most here would say have worse defensive depth than us, lost Dermott on Feb 28th and Gardiner has been out since long before that. Kapanen has also been hurt and been in and out of the lineup during this period. Kadri also missed games in this stretch. This is how their record ranks in that period, for comparison I have also put the Jets record. I have also added the San Jose Sharks who have missed Kane and Karlsson in the same stretch

Team	CF% Rank	FF% Rank	SF% Rank
Maple Leafs	9th	17th	15th
Sharks	7th	8th	8th
Jets	28th	25th	27th

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

It is not that Buff and/or Morrissey are ignored, it is that others might be overestimating how much our suckage is due to missing those two.

Also this argument that "some expect Jets to play in top gear all season" is also not right. I don't expect the Jets to play like the playoffs every game, I however do expect the Jets to not be a bottom-5 team hanging out with lottery teams like LA and NY but expect them to hang out with their peers like Nashville, Sharks, Calgary, St Louis or at the very least other low end playoffs teams like Dallas and Arizona.

This is quite intriguing - are these stats plucked from Feb 28 to present? Intringuing to me because of the apparent conflict - as I am one of those who think that Toronto definitely has issues with their defence. So much so that I guess that this is their biggest problem, limiting their chances against elite opponents. Am I that out to lunch (wait, don't answer that ), or is this an indictment of the stats provided, a sampling effect, or an effect of the way their forwards are coached within their system?

 

[Eyeseeing]

Well they’ve been on cruise control half the year with nothing to prove in the regular season.

I said in the Prediction thread
5-1 Vegas because I really think the team despite being tired was looking ahead to the game with Nashville and it’s importance.
It would have been a waste of energy to attempt blowing our load in Vegas to prove a point when it’s far more important to beat Nashville head to head right now.

 

[JetsFan815]

This is quite intriguing - are these stats plucked from Feb 28 to present? Intringuing to me because of the apparent conflict - as I am one of those who think that Toronto definitely has issues with their defence. So much so that I guess that this is their biggest problem, limiting their chances against elite opponents. Am I that out to lunch (wait, don't answer that ), or is this an indictment of the stats provided, a sampling effect, or an effect of the way their forwards are coached within their system?

Yes they are Feb 28th to date Team Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick . Defense is definitely a problem for them however they generating a lot more on the offensive end (shots and shot attempts) than the Jets. Their numbers seem to be good in atleast 1 end of the ice.

 

[KingBogo]

I said in the Prediction thread
5-1 Vegas because I really think the team despite being tired was looking ahead to the game with Nashville and it’s importance.
It would have been a waste of energy to attempt blowing our load in Vegas to prove a point when it’s far more important to beat Nashville head to head right now.

We really are now at pick your spots time. We are in the playoffs and can bury the Preds in the game tomorrow. After winning 4 in a row and on a B2B yesterday does seem like a take a breath game. Tomorrow should be fun.

 

[Maukkis]

Some of our own posters ignore no Buff or Morrissey either.

I dug up my exact quote from December 2017, when Scheifele had just suffered from an injury which kept him out of the action for almost two months.

You don't exactly replace your 1C without skipping a beat. Then again, if we are a playoff team, 20 games without Scheifele can not be our demise.

This is a test.

The same applies here. Two out of twenty are injured. No matter which two those are, you cannot collapse because of that.

People need to stop going behind that excuse.

 

[Eyeseeing]

We really are now at pick your spots time. We are in the playoffs and can bury the Preds in the game tomorrow. After winning 4 in a row and on a B2B yesterday does seem like a take a breath game. Tomorrow should be fun.

I think attempting 2 high energy games in a row might not have been ideal at this juncture.
Got to pick and choose as you said.
Can’t go hammer and tongs until the end of the regular season or we will exit quickly.
I am behind this team 100% and they certainly are capable of picking it up several notches yet.
The return of Buff and Jomo will be a very good boost inside that room as well.

 

[tbcwpg]

I dug up my exact quote from December 2017, when Scheifele had just suffered from an injury which kept him out of the action for almost two months.


The same applies here. Two out of twenty are injured. No matter which two those are, you cannot collapse because of that.

People need to stop going behind that excuse.

I'm not saying it's an excuse. They've won without them in the past and need to win now without them.

We like to go game by game here though. They may be in the bottom 6 or so in numbers since Feb 28. They're also 7-4 in that same stretch.

 

[tbcwpg]

Toronto Maple Leafs who most here would say have worse defensive depth than us, lost Dermott on Feb 28th and Gardiner has been out since long before that. Kapanen has also been hurt and been in and out of the lineup during this period. Kadri also missed games in this stretch. This is how their record ranks in that period, for comparison I have also put the Jets record. I have also added the San Jose Sharks who have missed Kane and Karlsson in the same stretch

Team	CF% Rank	FF% Rank	SF% Rank
Maple Leafs	9th	17th	15th
Sharks	7th	8th	8th
Jets	28th	25th	27th

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

It is not that Buff and/or Morrissey are ignored, it is that others might be overestimating how much our suckage is due to missing those two.

Also this argument that "some expect Jets to play in top gear all season" is also not right. I don't expect the Jets to play like the playoffs every game, I however do expect the Jets to not be a bottom-5 team hanging out with lottery teams like LA and NY but expect them to hang out with their peers like Nashville, Sharks, Calgary, St Louis or at the very least other low end playoffs teams like Dallas and Arizona.

If their impact is overstated then they are for the other teams, and shouldn't be mentioned in a game to game "analysis" saying that these teams are hurt so they should be taking advantage of it.