Speculation: POLL: Would you match the offer sheet on KK ?

[74 others]

48 hours later and still no announcement?

 

[PuckNorris]

You gather all your guys in a room. Coaches, scouts, trainers. You ask yourself where you see Kotkaniemi in 2-3 years and the probability of him getting there. If the consensus is he's not likely (under 50% chance) to develop into a top 2 center, then you do not match. He's going into his 4th season in the NHL. If he puts up between 30-40 points, it will decrease his trade value below a 1st and a 3rd. Not to mention, the amount of fan attention he will get making $6.1m will be enormous.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

I don't think it's Waddell. This is Dundon all the way. I actually like the Canes and think our Aho offersheet was a crock of shit and sleazy. While I respect some things about the way the Hurricanes handle their hockey, I think there's some major red flags around Dundon and I think he's got major power regarding personnel moves which I don't think looks great. On the surface, this is a contender that made itself worse because they lowballed Hamilton and Ned. Which they then replaced with Anderson and DeAngelo. And that's when they should be gunning for it!

And then overpay for KK. They were scared of Nedeljkovic's arbitration award & he ultimately signs in Detroit for $3m. Then they turn around and offer KK $6.1m. Yeah, ok.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

48 hours later and still no announcement?

Montreal will take the maximum 7 days to decide, as they should. They don't need to ham it up like Carolina does.

 

[Ozmodiar]

48 hours later and still no announcement?

Only HF’ers have spoken.

 

[Paddyjack]

Why would you assume KK wants out of Montreal. Lets be honest, in a career where one hit can end your career there is not a person here who would not have taken the offer. Anyone that says otherwise is either full of cow shit or a fool.

He agreed to that $20 bonus which everyone knows was a huge middle finger to the organisation. To me it shows he didn't mind embarrasing them.

 

[1909]

Exactly. That's why we shouldn't match.

He is not UFA after this season. He's still RFA.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Still, when would either of the Habs first round picks be able to join the team? No time soon.

If we get a top 10 pick probably right away. A mid/late rounder 1-3 years.

 

[1909]

Montreal will take the maximum 7 days to decide, as they should. They don't need to ham it up like Carolina does.

If Bergevin finds a dancing partner and get a #2 center man within the next 4-5 days, he will let KK go. But if he can't find anything valuable, then he should keep him.

Among center men of interest

JT Miller ( Vancouver needs money to re sign Patterson and Hughes)

Hertl.

Monahan

Strome. (Any of the two brothers)

Johannson

Dvorak

 

[MarkovsKnee]

Yes,KK will play with way more talented wingers and get way more ice time with Danault gone so he will have a great chance to put up 65-70 points.

A good year for KK next year is 50pts. There's no way he's getting 65-70pts.

 

[Sorinth]

48 hours later and still no announcement?

The team has a week to decide, they will use all that time even if they have made their decision since there's nothing to gain by announcing before you are forced to.

 

[74 others]

Colorado, Carolina have matched the offersheets within hours. The Habs don't like KK if this decision is so hard to make.

 

[Kojo]

Colorado, Carolina have matched the offersheets within hours. The Habs don't like KK if this decision is so hard to make.

Carolina didn't match the offer sheet within hours (mod)

 

[Whalers Fan]

He has also never acquired a first round pick, when he should have, and could have, many times

A good trader? Outside of Petry, Name one trade that improved the team

Suzuki, Danault, Armia, Anderson, Domi, etc.

 

[Whalers Fan]

For those who voted no, what would be the plan if were to move on from KK?

Fill the spot with a short term player, miss the playoffs this season (which would probably happen with KK anyway), offer sheet Necas next offseason.

 

[Mark9988]

Suzuki, Danault, Armia, Anderson, Domi, etc.

those players have not improved the team one bit, and two of them are gone,

if MB wins all his trades, why has this team finished 18th and 24th the past two seasons?

you are what your record says you are

this team only won 24 out of 56 games last season

 

[Whalers Fan]

those players have not improved the team one bit, and two of them are gone,

if MB wins all his trades, why has this team finished 18th and 24th the past two seasons?

you are what your record says you are

So why did you mention Petry? Why did he improve the team, but all those other players make the team worse?

You make no sense. All the players I and others have listed as acquired in traded were clear wins. The only truly bad trade made by Bergevin was Drouin for Sergachev.

 

[Mark9988]

All the players I and others have listed as acquired in traded were clear wins.

a trade is only a win if it improves the team, if it doesn't improve the team, then its a sideways move at best

the team is no better since aquiring any of the players you listed

 

[Tyson]

Yes,KK will play with way more talented wingers and get way more ice time with Danault gone so he will have a great chance to put up 65-70 points.

Way more talented wingers? Svechnikov perhaps but the Habs have an excellent group of wingers, arguably better than Carolina.

 

[PaulD]

Montreal will take the maximum 7 days to decide, as they should. They don't need to ham it up like Carolina does.

Carolina took seven days to match the crock of an offer sheet Bergevin penciled up for Aho. Great deal for Canes by the way. Point a game player.

 

[NMacrules]

I'd match, but he wouldn't see a minute of ice time out of spite. I'd ruin him. His skill level would start to suck and then he can go play in europe where they dont care about loyalty.

By signing, KK basically said "go eff yourself" to his organization and team mates. And he did it with that cringeworthy grin on his face.

 

[PaulD]

So why did you mention Petry? Why did he improve the team, but all those other players make the team worse?

You make no sense. All the players I and others have listed as acquired in traded were clear wins. The only truly bad trade made by Bergevin was Drouin for Sergachev.

That was a great trade trade! ....for Sergachev, his team mates and the fans of Tampa Bay.

 

[Lshap]

Carolina took seven days to match the crock of an offer sheet Bergevin penciled up for Aho. Great deal for Canes by the way. Point a game player.

If it was such a great deal, Dundon wouldn't be nursing a grudge for two years. It was a great deal for Aho. For Carolina... not so much.

 

[PaulD]

If it was such a great deal, Dundon wouldn't be nursing a grudge for two years. It was a great deal for Aho. For Carolina... not so much.

The grudge is for the intention. Makes Dundon vindictive I agree. But it doesn't change the fact the Canes got Aho signed to a great cap friendly deal.

 

[Lshap]

Why would you assume KK wants out of Montreal. Lets be honest, in a career where one hit can end your career there is not a person here who would not have taken the offer. Anyone that says otherwise is either full of cow shit or a fool.

Agreed. People love adding their own storylines onto these things, but the reality is that KK was offered a massive overpayment – a bribe, basically – and he took it. Most players would. Like Aho did. Aho was happy to walk away from Carolina for a fair market price; Bergevin didn't even need to throw a ridiculous number at him, like Dundon did with Kotkaniemi.