GDT: PO #3 | Penguins at FLYERS | Sun., April 15, 2018, 3:00 pm ET | NBC, CBC, TVA Sports

[Tripod]

Konecny doesn't play PP1 or PK, that's where the time discrepancy came in.

Yeah that explains the 9:16 he played in game 2.

 

[Sombastate]

Mrazek, Simmonds and a 2nd for...?

I would give that up for the cannon to shoot Hakstol out of

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

That Winnipeg game starts in like 30 minutes, right?

 

[Strawberry Fields]

That Winnipeg game starts in like 30 minutes, right?

7:00, so yes

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I didn't

The statement is foolish regardless. One player isn’t changing your fortune with winning a Stanley Cup or not. It’s hard to win one in general no matter who you are. You can have a contending caliber roster & still not win a championship in hockey.

Voracek hasn’t played well this playoff series or the last one but that can be said about everyone too. This team isn’t very good & has a moronic coaching staff. If those guys don’t play well we’re screwed. Last series went six games & this one will likely go five or six too. It’s still not a large sample to pull from. They’re not the only players to have tough playoff series before & wont be the last. They just don’t have much rope to potentially redeem themselves as the standard needs to high & right off the bat for this team to succeed.

If you’re trading Voracek, you might as trade Giroux too as it’s not like he’s playing well if that’s your justification for moving on. Long term you’re just setting the window back some more as we just squeezed into the playoffs which we needed every bit of Voracek’s production to do so. We’ve basically been rebuilding for this entire decade. How much further do we want to go?

 

[Lindberg]

I'll extend Hakstol some credit here. He didn't do too much wrong to cause the team to lose. This team took way too many bad penalties and couldn't convert on any of their PP chances. Filppula, Simmonds, Voracek and Lehtera were a complete disaster.Why Raffl is still on the top line is beyond me though. The Flyers had some good pressure early on but got slaughtered with the PP goals.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I disagree.

If Konecny was on the top line, he’d be shut down the way Giroux has been.

You can’t beat a team like the Pens with one line.

Part of why Giroux is being shut down is that Raffl is the death of the forecheck when the puck comes to him.

TK has been much better and would be a boon to the line.

 

[Alex1234]

Funny how Philadelphie gets PP time when the game is out of reach

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

7:00, so yes

It's 5:28 a.m. here and it's too much math for me to do - 12 AND -1. I'm not even going to bother trying to do -13 with clock numbers, **** that.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Mrazek should really get the start for Wednesday. Also, f***ing kill off Lehtera and bring Weal back.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

It's 5:28 a.m. here and it's too much math for me to do - 12 AND -1. I'm not even going to bother trying to do -13 with clock numbers, **** that.

Oh god, somehow I completely forgot you were millions of miles away from civilization

In any case, yes, the game starts in about half an hour.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Oh god, somehow I completely forgot you were millions of miles away from civilization

In any case, yes, the game starts in about half an hour.

Thank you

 

[Protest]

The statement is foolish regardless. One player isn’t changing your fortune with winning a Stanley Cup or not. It’s hard to win one in general no matter who you are. You can have a contending caliber roster & still not win a championship in hockey.

Voracek hasn’t played well this playoff series or the last one but that can be said about everyone too. This team isn’t very good & has a moronic coaching staff. If those guys don’t play well we’re screwed. Last series went six games & this one will likely go five or six too. It’s still not a large sample to pull from. They’re not the only players to have tough playoff series before & wont be the last. They just don’t have much rope to potentially redeem themselves as the standard needs to high & right off the bat for this team to succeed.

If you’re trading Voracek, you might as trade Giroux too as it’s not like he’s playing well if that’s your justification for moving on. Long term you’re just setting the window back some more as we just squeezed into the playoffs which we needed every bit of Voracek’s production to do so. We’ve basically been rebuilding for this entire decade. How much further do we want to go?

You're assuming trading Voracek will automatically make the team worse and not accounting for anything that the flyers would get it return or potential players they could add with his cap space.

 

[Beef Invictus]

A big positive is that Sanheim, Patrick, Konecny, Ghost, Provorov, and Couturier are all playing quite well.

I'm more pleased by them than I am worried about Simmonds and Voracek sucking.

 

[Lindberg]

You're assuming trading Voracek will automatically make the team worse and not accounting for anything that the flyers would get it return or potential players they could add with his cap space.

The likelihood of getting a player like Voracek back isn't realistic. He's one of the best wingers in the game even with all of his warts.

 

[Magua]

You're assuming trading Voracek will automatically make the team worse and not accounting for anything that the flyers would get it return or potential players they could add with his cap space.

Because point/game players in their primes under contract don't grow on trees. It's a very fair assumption. I'm sure Toronto won the Kessel trade too. Can't win with Phil.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

A big positive is that Sanheim, Patrick, Konecny, Ghost, Provorov, and Couturier are all playing quite well.

I'm more pleased by them than I am worried about Simmonds and Voracek sucking.

Yep, it's all that matters this year. Other than that, nothing matters. Kumbaya.

 

[gertbfrobe16]

It's 4:57 a.m. and I am wide awake. What the **** am I supposed to do now?

eat drink and be merry

 

[FlyTimmo]

The statement is foolish regardless. One player isn’t changing your fortune with winning a Stanley Cup or not. It’s hard to win one in general no matter who you are. You can have a contending caliber roster & still not win a championship in hockey.

Voracek hasn’t played well this playoff series or the last one but that can be said about everyone too. This team isn’t very good & has a moronic coaching staff. If those guys don’t play well we’re screwed. Last series went six games & this one will likely go five or six too. It’s still not a large sample to pull from. They’re not the only players to have tough playoff series before & wont be the last. They just don’t have much rope to potentially redeem themselves as the standard needs to high & right off the bat for this team to succeed.

If you’re trading Voracek, you might as trade Giroux too as it’s not like he’s playing well if that’s your justification for moving on. Long term you’re just setting the window back some more as we just squeezed into the playoffs which we needed every bit of Voracek’s production to do so. We’ve basically been rebuilding for this entire decade. How much further do we want to go?

One player can definitely change your fortune.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Compare the rosters.

We've covered this. Your logic is that coaching is less relevant than the rosters.

If that's true why did these teams finish close in the standings? Why is Hakstol 1-6 in games against Sullivan?

Your quest to pretend coaching isn't important to minimize blame on Hakstol is very poorly thought out. I mean, to be consistent with yourself, you'd have to give all the credit for making the playoffs to the players rather than Hakstol, which actually puts you in the opposite camp from what you claim.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

One thing I will say about Jake is that, unlike some of the ridiculous complaints and main board threads we see on here, I can understand people who scream at him - his play is not very easy on the eyes a lot of the time and it's easy to understand how his bad moments linger in people's minds. It's a struggle sometimes not to want to fire him into the Sun. He wears a brilliant Keystone Cops/Clark Kent camouflage.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Because point/game players in their primes under contract don't grow on trees. It's a very fair assumption. I'm sure Toronto won the Kessel trade too. Can't win with Phil.

It was and always will be insane to me that they took cap back.

 

[deadhead]

Voracek isn't a good fit with Patrick because Voracek is "puck dominant," that is, his game is predicated on puck control, and that means Patrick, who is going to be a better player, doesn't handle the puck enough.

Giroux is also puck dominant, but Couts doesn't need the puck. And Giroux doesn't hold the puck, he's always looking to pass before skating with it.

Patrick, with his skating, puck handling and shooting, should be handling the puck the majority of his ice time because like most top centers, he can do more with it than his linemates. And he has the vision and instincts to set up his wings.

And I suspect the same will apply to Frost.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

You're assuming trading Voracek will automatically make the team worse and not accounting for anything that the flyers would get it return or potential players they could add with his cap space.

I mean the odds aren’t in your favor to do so. Like it or not the large size of the contract is going to eat away at your return. Add in Hextall’s shoddy record of acquiring NHL players & im even less convinced it will be something worth pursuing from a Flyers standpoint.

 

[Beef Invictus]

One thing I will say about Jake is that, unlike some of the ridiculous complaints and main board threads we see on here, I can understand people who scream at him - his play is not very easy on the eyes a lot of the time and it's easy to understand how his bad moments linger in people's minds. It's a struggle sometimes not to want to fire him into the Sun. He wears a brilliant Keystone Cops/Clark Kent camouflage.

I see a lot of Filppula in his future. The guy who does all kinds of awesome stuff and then ruins it at the end with some awful play.


Though for most of this year Flip hasn't even shown much skill anymore, either.