Playoff Push Thread
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JaegerDice
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Nobody is excusing the stupidity of some of their choices. Goin all in on a bad goalie like Darling and getting rid of a great coach like Peters were obviously set-backs.
BobbyJet
watch the game, everything else is noise
JaegerDice
The mark of my dignity shall scar thy DNA
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That's not an answer to the question
Ok. They're higher quality than the Blackhawks right now.
By literally every single metric available, simple or 'fancy'.
Better?
That wasn't the question (and wasn't even the original point either), but whatever helps ya sleep at night!
JaegerDice
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I'd sleep better at night knowing the Blackhawks are going for a high pick that could actually make an impact, rather than a pointless playoff exit and weaker prospect.
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kuzy
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If we're sellers at the trade deadline how high of a draft pick do you expect the hawks to get, realistically?
BK
"Goalie Apologist"
The issue is that they have not really been quality....
You can't say a team is quality when they haven't made the playoffs since 2009.
Note: They have the top corsi in the NHL but are currently out of the playoffs.
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BK
"Goalie Apologist"
Better than the Hawks this season and the last for sure but I doubt they are better next season or seasons after. They are just middling team with good advanced numbers. At some point you have to realize that they are not as good as their numbers indicated and not just unlucky.
b1e9a8r5s
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Ironically, the Canes, who are always the darlings (pun intended) of advanced stats proponents are working against the cause. At some point the rubber has to meet the road and translate to wins and losses.
BobbyJet
watch the game, everything else is noise
BK
"Goalie Apologist"
You know I don't agree with the bold because I believe they are an important tool that can lead to important issues. We differ there but always have. You and JD are the polar opposite. JD believes the numbers are everything and you don't see any value. It is part of what makes this board interesting.
I think the Canes great numbers actually show their flaw, they have too much of one thing. Possession players are great but you need the Kane type players to win in my opinion.
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I seem to remember a certain predators team the went hot towards the end of the season and got in as the 8 seed.
Their banners still hang in rafters.
Their banners still hang in rafters.
Analytics is best used to explain performance ... not the other way around. Analytics can't account for the human influence. At the core, hockey is pretty simple:
1. Put pucks into the opponent's net.
2. Stop pucks from going into your own net.
If you can't do the basic fundamentals, analaytics mean poop.
BK
"Goalie Apologist"
BK
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Cowch
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Early in the season I was all for tanking and ushering in the next generation to hopefully help Kane/Toews win a cup in 3-5 years, because, well the team sucked and was horrible to watch, but then Strome/Cat (and JC?) happened and they ARE the next generation and helping Kane/Toews win a cup has been moved to present-5 years.
Why keep waiting? A top pick this year isn't going to help the team now and maybe never will, but the current youth is already helping the team.
Why keep waiting? A top pick this year isn't going to help the team now and maybe never will, but the current youth is already helping the team.
BobbyJet
watch the game, everything else is noise
Actually, not so fast Kowalski
I do see plenty of value in numbers but I despise when they are thrown around without witnessing what those numbers are trying to represent. Sometimes they can be dam accurate but not always.
I saw a good deal of the Canes games last season and I can tell you they were not very good.... and that is why in that particular case throw those numbers out. This season I haven't seen them as much but when I have they are pretty much a one man team on offense and still quite often leave their goalie to fend for himself.
BobbyJet
watch the game, everything else is noise
It appears Stan got the top five pick. I hate to do this but Strome really has changed the dynamic with this team.
So happy to see multiple lines that seem dangerous again.
BK
"Goalie Apologist"
Actually, not so fast Kowalski
I do see plenty of value in numbers but I despise when they are thrown around without witnessing what those numbers are trying to represent. Sometimes they can be dam accurate but not always.
I saw a good deal of the Canes games last season and I can tell you they were not very good.... and that is why in that particular case throw those numbers out. This season I haven't seen them as much but when I have they are pretty much a one man team on offense and still quite often leave their goalie to fend for himself.
Fair enough but in the past you have been rather dismissive.
BobbyJet
watch the game, everything else is noise
I have..... but usually because these stats were often thrown around as if they were the bible or something and often contradicted posters thoughts via the eye test. The most blatant example was when Bickell was struggling later in his career in Chicago and a certain poster was playing it down - hyping up his possession numbers, trying to defy what the eye test revealed.
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