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Domi Matthews McMann
Bert Tavares Marner
Knies Dewar Nylander
Holmberg Kampf Jarnkrok
Bert Tavares Marner
Knies Dewar Nylander
Holmberg Kampf Jarnkrok
Why put your top scorer and likely best overall player (second-best shooter, second-best passer, best puck carrier) on the third line?Bertuzzi-Matthews-Domi
McMann-Tavares-Marner
Robertson-Holmberg-Nylander
Knies-Kampf-Jarnkrok
So we can have a line driver on each line and the players on the 3rd line would score more. Nylander would still get the same amount of minutes. Also if you have a guy like that on the 3rd line, it’s a nightmare to match up against the Leafs.Why put your top scorer and likely best overall player (second-best shooter, second-best passer, best puck carrier) on the third line?
So you expect Matty to continue to get 21 minutes a game and Mitch to get 21 minutes a game and still expect Willy to get 20 minutes a game playing with two guys who average 11 minutes? I'm not sure the math works.So we can have a line driver on each line and the players on the 3rd line would score more. Nylander would still get the same amount of minutes. Also if you have a guy like that on the 3rd line, it’s a nightmare to match up against the Leafs.
So you expect Matty to continue to get 21 minutes a game and Mitch to get 21 minutes a game and still expect Willy to get 20 minutes a game playing with two guys who average 11 minutes? I'm not sure the math works.
I agree that Willy may be our best 'line driver' and can likely get even Robertson to produce, but at the same time he seems to be the one who helps JT produce the best.
So you expect Matty to continue to get 21 minutes a game and Mitch to get 21 minutes a game and still expect Willy to get 20 minutes a game playing with two guys who average 11 minutes? I'm not sure the math works.
I agree that Willy may be our best 'line driver' and can likely get even Robertson to produce, but at the same time he seems to be the one who helps JT produce the best.
Quite right. As far as ES time, Matty averages 17, Mitch and Willy 16 and JT 15. All get about 3 on the PP. Mitch 2, Willy 1 and Matty a bit less on the PK.I think there's a case to be made that Matthews and Marner shouldn't be getting 21 minutes a night in order for us to be successful. I'd go as far as saying that it's a contributing factor to why they get worn down over the course of a series.
In an ideal world, you probably want to break out ice time between even strength, PP, and PK.
If splitting them up over 3 lines (which is what IMO they should do to create matchup nightmares for the other team), you're probably targetting 14 minutes for each of the 3 top lines, plus powerplay time for the guys on it, plus a few limited stacking shifts.
I don't mind Willy on the 3rd line to spread out the offense but I don't like him doing it at C.I like your lines. Main thing is to put Marner back with JT, keep Matthews with Domi and put Nylander on a 3rd line. 3 scoring lines for the playoffs, I like it!
Agreed. I was just thinking of line combos and wasn't even paying attention to who was playing what position. But Willy belongs on the wing for sure.I don't mind Willy on the 3rd line to spread out the offense but I don't like him doing it at C.
This is the closest incarnation of the lineup I would go with. I thus give my approval, however, I go with Tavares on the third line and Reaves throughout. He is proud and knows when to go to battle. His presence is important for the balanced identity this team needs. He will wake up the hungry, Cup starved Leafs crowd and make room for others come playoffs.Bertuzzi - Matthews - Jarnkrok
Knies - Tavares - Marner
McMann - Domi - Nylander
Dewar - Kampf - Reaves
ex. Robertson - Holmberg - Gregor
Rielly - Lyubushkin
Benoit - McCabe
Edmundson - Liljegren
ex. Giordano - Brodie
Timmins
Woll
Samsonov
ex. Jones
Murray
3 scoring lines and a limited 4th line. A Marner/JT combo and a Domi/Nylander combo with Matthews pairing with Bertuzzi. Each line and pairing have at least one guy who can handle themselves physically. There is a pure shutdown defenseman paired with a puck mover on each pairing.
Brodie - soft, old and slow and Robertson - soft and weak defensively sit to start despite their reputation. I expect the top-11 forwards to see time all the way through, the 12th forward (Reaves) will be a variety of different players subbing in for one another.
Quite right. As far as ES time, Matty averages 17, Mitch and Willy 16 and JT 15. All get about 3 on the PP. Mitch 2, Willy 1 and Matty a bit less on the PK.
My point was more the supporting players - Robertson, McMann, Holmberg, and Gregor each get 10 - 10 1/2 ES and very little PK, so what will happen if they are suddenly asked to play 12-14? McMann and Holmberg seem to be doing fine short term, but who knows.
My biggest concern was the idea of playing Willy on a line with two guys who, together, average barely more than he does by himself.
Your first paragraph seems to agree with me, and your second paragraph seems to completely disagree, so I have no idea what your point might be.What will happen? easy just get player who will always be at 100% on the ice. Its hard to be at 100% whe you tired and how many
toronto will not be in a bad situation using those player 12 minutes if that can help core to be at 100% for the 18-19min they will play unstead of 90% for the 20-23 minutes they will play.
Domi played in that spot all year long and had 37 5v5 pts vs 41 for Nylander. If Nylander is unable to do the same thing than Domi, can you tell me why are we paying that guy 11.5M in his next contract?
Your first paragraph seems to agree with me, and your second paragraph seems to completely disagree, so I have no idea what your point might be.
"Domi played in that spot all year long". What spot? 1RW? He's been there for a few games recently and earlier, but he's also played second and third, and maybe even fourth line. Most of his production has come while playing with either Matty or Willy, so I don't think Willy on the third line without either is a reasonable comparison.
I don't know if you're aware of it, but there are 145 players who have more points than Domi this year, but only 6 with more than Nylander. That's a bit of a difference! Excellent value for $6.9M, and very good at even $11.5M.
Bertuzzi Domi Nylander looks like fun but CANNOT be trusted in tight playoff games where one goal can be a series killer. Capable of potting one? Yes absolutely. Defensive awareness to kill a crippling rush the other way? Not so much. Scary 3some defensively. Need some D awareness every line and that one gives me nightmares.McMann Matthews Marner
Bertuzzi Domi Nylander
Knies Tavares Jarnkrok
Dewar Kampf Holmberg
Rielly McCabe
Edmundson Liljegren
Benoit Lyubushkin
No other way to look at it. One tough D partnered with a rushing D. Brodie doesn't fit either category anymore. Muzzin hit a wall before his career ending injury and now its Brodies turn.Any lines that have Brodie in them….. Wrong
It's the nature of the forward group they've built. Tougher to play against but you have to hold your breath in the defensive zone.Bertuzzi Domi Nylander looks like fun but CANNOT be trusted in tight playoff games where one goal can be a series killer. Capable of potting one? Yes absolutely. Defensive awareness to kill a crippling rush the other way? Not so much. Scary 3some defensively. Need some D awareness every line and that one gives me nightmares.
I'm not sure your conclusion logically stems from the points, but I do agree Domi has played well.1- Domi played majority of season on 3rd line
2- Most of his production came with jarnkrok 18, robertson 14, Bertuzzi 11, nylander 8, matthews 6
3- 5v5/60 minute played, like i said if Domi is able to do it with guy like jarnkrok and robertson, i dont see why nylander should not be able or hes just not deserving his 11.5M if he cant.View attachment 841111