Big Friggin Dummy
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Don't know anything about Seguin or the Stars, but sure. Write up the paper work.
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Heard he sucks now, but Stars would have to retain quite a lot as he makes a sliver under 10M AAV. So Segs at 8M it would have to be assuming Rust wants 6M.Don't know anything about Seguin or the Stars, but sure. Write up the paper work.
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Yeah, a catastrophic knee injury will do that to a guy whose entire game relies on his speed/skating.
But if he ever rebounds, he used to be really exciting and a big production guy iirc.Probably too late in the era to take a homerun swing like that though.
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Yeah, he used to be amazing. I don't think we are going to take a stab at anyone of the old Segs ilk. Maybe JT.Miller or Boeser in the offseason?Yeah, a catastrophic knee injury will do that to a guy whose entire game relies on his speed/skating.
Probably too late in the era to take a homerun swing like that though.
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Haha... they aren't bad. I'll even throw on Green River now and then. Just not really my thing. Something about Fogerty kinda bugs me.
He does but at the same time, that wasn't his preferred answer until he saw the goalie prices this off-season. To no small extent he let the market make the decision for him and is lucky Jarry has rewarded him.
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Conversely if he succeeded in getting Kuemper then we could have gotten goaltending like he's giving now and last season, both .907.
If we went after Andersen and got him then he could have easily played like the last 2 years (.895 and .909). People were already starting to etch his tombstone, saying injuries have overtaken him. Now he's .930 in Carolina.
Goaltending is a roll of the dice.
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In terms of a high end offensive player who can create on his own, he's about as close as we're going to get any time soon. Giroux would also qualify.
Pavelski would be more of a luxury secondary addition, but he's absolutely an upgrade on Kapanen and does a lot more for this team in terms of faceoffs, versatility, and production.
Waxing about the Pens being "fully fit" as though that's a reasonable expectation for the most injury prone team in the league isn't on my plane of reality. Having players who can not only contribute when fit but fill in during those times when we're not is critical.
As close as we can get isn't the standard that changes the team's conditions for success though.
And I'm not sure Pavelski is an upgrade on the Kapanen we saw with Malkin last season.
Finally - yeah, this team seems cursed to never be full fit. But it's not a reasonable expectation either to have a team that can truck right through the worst of it come playoff time. Trying to make one becomes throwing good money after bad after a certain point.
I think the team should be very aggressive on Hertl in free agency. Maybe Trocheck as a guy who can drive a top 6 line but also slot into the team elsewhere when Sid and Geno is fit. Take swings at Forsberg and Pavelski too if they're there, but not going wild.
I don't think they should be throwing a bunch of assets at guys who don't change the team's basic victory conditions. Not until we can be confident those conditions can be met at the very least.
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Forsberg or Giroux could be quality tertiary types about on par with Kessel - if not Stamkos - in terms of carrying the offensive load when Crosby or Malkin is either out or sub-par. They've done it on their present teams as primary options. Hertl qualifies too, but again, his handedness is an issue that would limit his value here. "Free agency" also operates under the assumption that this year is basically a write-off, which I'm not prepared to do. There are only so many years of elite Crosby, Malkin, and Letang left.
Having a third forward option who can help Crosby and Malkin carry the load isn't an unreasonable expectation. To me, it's the only reasonable expectation if we want to accomplish anything in the playoffs. It was what we needed in 2016 to finally get over the hump, and Crosby and Malkin haven't somehow gotten more self-sufficient 5 years after the fact, despite the fact that our GMs and coach operate as though they have.
I like Forsberg and would like him here but we've just got to agree to disagree if you think he's on a par with Kessel.
Giroux, maybe, but he's completely unrealistic unless laundered through a third team and I think that's pretty unrealistic in itself.
I don't think this year's a write off. I think this team is good enough to win it if the team can finally get a little luck with injuries. Teams have won the cup with worse forwards. But I do think it's a write off in terms of getting that calibre of forward. Like, not even a debate about the price, I just don't see the guy available (other than maybe Hertl).
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Agreed. I do have this sick vision of Giroux getting moved to us because of Hextall.
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There is no way I should read into that because it's Geno being Geno but... man.
The implication ya know?
The implication ya know?
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I think he's just flexing for his #1 season ticket holder fan.
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That dude would still be furious if Malkin took like 3M a year and volunteered to come in every Sunday to clean all of PPG's bathrooms.
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Aka he wants to retire with Crosby.
Combine those two quotes and I feel like it's pretty obvious he's not going to ask for a ton of money like Ovi did on his extension.
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Malkin has always wanted to ride out the whole thing with Crosby. That's always been his goal.
You look at half the replies to just that tweet alone and you wonder why he'd want to, though. Maybe he doesn't participate in any social media? Wise man, if so.
You look at half the replies to just that tweet alone and you wonder why he'd want to, though. Maybe he doesn't participate in any social media? Wise man, if so.
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Whatever timeframe you want to use, Forsberg is generally around 10th among LWs at between .80 and .85 P/G...and that's without having much forward help to work with in Nashville. The next highest forward on his team over the last 3 years was Arvidsson at .67.
Considering Forsberg's the type of forward you can deploy and not have him be a defensive liability like Kessel, I think he could have a comparable impact.
But barring adding a player like that, I don't see us doing anything in the playoffs. Our stars are too brittle and the supporting cast is too generic.
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That's a good point. I had completely forgotten how his contract was structured as far as real money was concerned.
That was a big reason it got a lot of scrutiny at the time, right?
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If he can ever figure out how to change his game around positioning and possession then he could rebound into a solid game. His IQ and hands have gone no where. It’s just he can’t skate into an advantage or out of problems now. I think Seguin could definitely have a huge comeback in his career. But I think, and that’s a huge if, I would rather the Penguins not be part of that experiment.Yeah, a catastrophic knee injury will do that to a guy whose entire game relies on his speed/skating.
Probably too late in the era to take a homerun swing like that though.
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