Salary Cap: Pittsburgh Penguins Salary Cap Thread: Sugar "KANE" Turns Into 'Rymes with' M, M, M...My Sharona

[Empoleon8771]

Yeah that makes no sense.

Why does it make no sense? Rust is the clearly superior player plus you'd be getting an actual return for Kapanen (in theory), as opposed to just letting Rust walk.

If the team's goal is to remain competitive for the rest of the Crosby and Malkin era while not hemorrhaging assets, that seems like a pretty easy way to do that, no?

 

[3ladesof5teel]

Giordano was brought up in the trade forum. I would love to see the guy here for a playoff run and think he brings alot of what we need on the backend

Could we somehow make him work?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I'd trade Rust at the deadline and Kap in the off-season before committing to either long-term.

 

[Gurglesons]

Why does it make no sense? Rust is the clearly superior player plus you'd be getting an actual return for Kapanen (in theory), as opposed to just letting Rust walk.

If the team's goal is to remain competitive for the rest of the Crosby and Malkin era while not hemorrhaging assets, that seems like a pretty easy way to do that, no?

I don’t see a huge difference between Rust and Kapanen at 5v5 to be honest. Rust just gets the benefit of being consistently strapped to Malkin and Crosby the last few years.

Honestly, I prefer Kapanen at 4 mil x 6 to Rust at 6 mil x 6 because of Kapanen’s ability to carry a bottom six line.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

I still want to see a healthy Kap and Geno. Some of what they both were doing last year together was awesome to watch. I know much of it was Geno but Kap was doing things that would wow you as well

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'd trade Rust at the deadline and Kap in the off-season before committing to either long-term.

Why would you decide to trade Rust at the deadline as the team is globetrotting with a majority of their lineup out?

That is a downright slap in the face of Crosby, Malkin and Letang.

I don’t see a huge difference between Rust and Kapanen at 5v5 to be honest. Rust just gets the benefit of being consistently strapped to Malkin and Crosby the last few years.

Honestly, I prefer Kapanen at 4 mil x 6 to Rust at 6 mil x 6 because of Kapanen’s ability to carry a bottom six line.

Oh yeah if there is that much of a price difference between the two, I would keep Kapanen. I was just assuming Rust would come in at like $5.5 million and Kapanen would come in at like $5 million, so I wasn't considering a huge price difference between the two.

If the prices are close to each other, I flip Kapanen for assets and re-sign Rust. If there is a sizable difference in their next salaries, I let Rust walk and keep Kapanen. "Sizable" difference can mean either "Rust is getting an asinine payment in UFA" or "Kapanen wants a reasonable deal to extend".

 

[Gurglesons]

Why would you decide to trade Rust at the deadline as the team is globetrotting with a majority of their lineup out?

That is a downright slap in the face of Crosby, Malkin and Letang.



Oh yeah if there is that much of a price difference between the two, I would keep Kapanen. I was just assuming Rust would come in at like $5.5 million and Kapanen would come in at like $5 million, so I wasn't considering a huge price difference between the two.

Kapanen at 5 million seems like the high end especially given Hextall’s thriftiness with pending RFAs both here and in Philly.

If he asks for that much I guess I’d trade him and resign Rust. I don’t trust Rust aging well tbh.

 

[66-30-33]

Giordano was brought up in the trade forum. I would love to see the guy here for a playoff run and think he brings alot of what we need on the backend

Could we somehow make him work?

Is he still any good?

 

[DrDangles]

-Malkin at $7.5 million AAV (which I honestly think is an overestimate for him)
-Letang at $8.5 million AAV
-Rust at $5.5 million AAV
-Kapanen at $5 million AAV
-Rodrigues at $3 million AAV
-Heinen at $2.5 million AAV
-O'Connor, POJ and Friedman at their QOs

Are you assuming Geno and Tanger are both signing for 3 years?

There's no doubt Tanger is worth that in the short term, and he could probably get a bit more in FA over 3 years. I'm really hoping the saving grace might be him signing for longer than Sid and Geno. Ideally I think it would be cool if Geno & Tanger land at 7.1M and 5.8M with Tanger signing for 5 years and doing a couple victory laps with the C on his chest after Sid and Geno hang them up.

Thats my pipe dream anyway, thanks for coming to my TED talk.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

Is he still any good?

He's playing some mins on a shitty team. He still has gas in the tank

He plays with some grit, positionally has always been solid, blocks alot of shots and can still rip it

 

[Jacob]

Is he still any good?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Are you assuming Geno and Tanger are both signing for 3 years?

There's no doubt Tanger is worth that in the short term, and he could probably get a bit more in FA over 3 years. I'm really hoping the saving grace might be him signing for longer than Sid and Geno. Ideally I think it would be cool if Geno & Tanger land at 7.1M and 5.8M with Tanger signing for 5 years and doing a couple victory laps with the C on his chest after Sid and Geno hang them up.

Thats my pipe dream anyway, thanks for coming to my TED talk.

Malkin yes, but I assume Letang gets more than 3 years in term. I don't think you can get Letang to take a paycut, maybe you can get him for the same as what he's making now if you give him term, but I don't see any way he agrees to a discount when considering what he could get in UFA.

I think you can get Malkin for less than $7.5 million regardless of term, and you probably can get Letang at a minimal raise (up maybe $250k or so) if you give him enough term.

If Malkin would do 3x7 and Letang would do 5x7.5, I'd sign both of them immediately and be happy I could get them for $14.5 million total.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Why would you decide to trade Rust at the deadline as the team is globetrotting with a majority of their lineup out?

That is a downright slap in the face of Crosby, Malkin and Letang.



Oh yeah if there is that much of a price difference between the two, I would keep Kapanen. I was just assuming Rust would come in at like $5.5 million and Kapanen would come in at like $5 million, so I wasn't considering a huge price difference between the two.

If the prices are close to each other, I flip Kapanen for assets and re-sign Rust. If there is a sizable difference in their next salaries, I let Rust walk and keep Kapanen. "Sizable" difference can mean either "Rust is getting an asinine payment in UFA" or "Kapanen wants a reasonable deal to extend".

Because someone's gonna offer him a silly contract this summer, to the tune of like $30 million for 5 years, and I don't want it to be us. He's not exactly durable, will be 30 this summer, and has done f*** all in the post season since his 9pts in 23 games in 2017.

So it's either let him walk for absolutely nothing after he inevitably does nothing in the playoffs again, or re-sign him to an albatross contract.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

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Besides looking at stats how much of Gio do you actually watch? Gio was one of my guys for a few years so I watch him quite a bit. I think he would be a very solid acquisition at the deadline if available

 

[66-30-33]

Because someone's gonna offer him a silly contract this summer, to the tune of like $30 million for 5 years, and I don't want it to be us. He's not exactly durable, will be 30 this summer, and has done f*** all in the post season since his 9pts in 23 games in 2017.

So it's either let him walk for absolutely nothing after he inevitably does nothing in the playoffs again, or re-sign him to an albatross contract.

JR should say screw it and offer JT.Miller for him 1 for 1.

Better yet add Boeser for Kapanen.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

JR should say screw it and offer JT.Miller for him 1 for 1.

Better yet add Boeser for Kapanen.

If only. The real bummer in JR's departure and subsequent hiring elsewhere is that he's probably so spiteful that he'll never make a trade with this club while he's employed. Shame, too, because he's a f***ing moron and ripe for fleecing.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

I'd trade Rust at the deadline and Kap in the off-season before committing to either long-term.

And trade Crosby/Malkin while your at it because they are both old and not top centers in the league anymore right?

 

[66-30-33]

If only. The real bummer in JR's departure and subsequent hiring elsewhere is that he's probably so spiteful that he'll never make a trade with this club while he's employed. Shame, too, because he's a f***ing moron and ripe for fleecing.

Thought he's Canucks GM because of Brian Burke? Well...interm GM.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Thought he's Canucks GM because of Brian Burke? Well...interm GM.

He's their president of hockey operations, iirc. But I'm sure he'll have some say, and his say will be that his team won't deal with those darned Penguins.

 

[Tacitus Kilgore]

that’s insane and not how you build a winner

How does one build a "winner" do tell

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Besides looking at stats how much of Gio do you actually watch? Gio was one of my guys for a few years so I watch him quite a bit. I think he would be a very solid acquisition at the deadline if available

I think he'd make a great target too, if the price was right. Solidify the top 4 anyway.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think he'd make a great target too, if the price was right. Solidify the top 4 anyway.

Why would we spend money on a LD?

Calgary got better when Gio was replaced with young talent.

We need to target a defensively sound RD that balances out Matheson. DeMelo type.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

How does one build a "winner" do tell

My two cents; Scouting, drafting, development, and a whole shitload of luck.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Why would we spend money on a LD?

Calgary got better when Gio was replaced with young talent.

We need to target a defensively sound RD that balances out Matheson. DeMelo type.

Correlation doesn't equal causation. Giordano is a quality top 4 LHD, and I think bringing him in to play with Marino would result in a better top 4 than bringing in an RHD to stabilize Matheson.

Not my #1 priority this deadline, but if we're looking to improve the blueline he'd be on my short list.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I really don't see a LD as any sort of need with this team. In fact, they're probably better off swapping a LD for a RD before adding a LD.

Dumoulin, Matheson and Pettersson is a really damn good LD group.