Salary Cap: Pittsburgh Penguins Salary Cap Thread - Is one moon enough

[Malkinstheman]

Also on the stats front, going by the fancy stats "Game Score" thing from Hockey Stat Cards, here's a list of dmen who were better than Marino in November.

Heiskanen
Spurgeon & Suter
Shattenkirk
Hamilton

List of dmen who were worse

Everybody else

I mean, Marino has looked good but this is just insane.

 

[Flying Dego]

Well, needing to do something and actually doing it have always been different animals when it comes to hockey teams. The Devils went for it this off-season both in an attempt to be a better team and to show Hall they're serious about competing so he'd stick around--and it backfired hard. They're arguably worse with a bunch of new, big names, and Hall is all but gone already.

Murray was never close to this position in terms of potentially losing his starting job though. I don't care what DeSmith or Jarry did in the AHL or CHL or whatever. Jarry is clearly outplaying Murray now at the NHL level, by miles, and has a legit shot at taking over the starting duties if things continue the way they've been going for the first 2 months of the season. I'm not saying it's a sure-fire bet that Murray is rattled by Jarry's performance, but it's an interesting thought considering he doesn't seem to be improving or even plateauing, but continuing to regress as Jarry continues to get better. It's likely just a coincidence, but intriguing nonetheless.

Ok if the theory is that Murray is rattled by Jarry than he is not and will not be a top goalie in this league. All the greats have a certain personality they believe they are the best. You can't get rattled by another goalie, you'd never last.

If he didn't have competition than he'd get complacent. Always good to push someone to improve. There should always be a small discomfort for an athlete knowing he can be replaced if he stops performing to their best ability.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I just think you run with this lineup and adjust accordingly over the next year or so;

Jake-Sid-Kahun
?-Geno-Rust
McCann-?-Hornqvist
Lafferty/Simon-Blueger-Tanev

Dumo-Letang
?-Marino
Petts-Riikola

You don't need a Hall, per se, because the cost to acquire/re-sign probably neuters our ability to flesh out a team. I think Kreider is an unbelievably good option for Geno-Rust. No idea who you get for that 3C spot, though Pageau would be my top pick (and not because of his recent scoring pace, I wanted him when we went after Brassard). The LD needs to be a significant player too, imo.

Not a lot needs to be done, but the moves that do are significant. LW for Geno's line is probably the easiest to solve with who is available, so I'd probably start there.

 

[LOGiK]

I just think you run with this lineup and adjust accordingly over the next year or so;

Jake-Sid-Kahun
?-Geno-Rust
McCann-?-Hornqvist
Lafferty/Simon-Blueger-Tanev

Dumo-Letang
?-Marino
Petts-Riikola

You don't need a Hall, per se, because the cost to acquire/re-sign probably neuters our ability to flesh out a team. I think Kreider is an unbelievably good option for Geno-Rust. No idea who you get for that 3C spot, though Pageau would be my top pick (and not because of his recent scoring pace, I wanted him when we went after Brassard). The LD needs to be a significant player too, imo.

Not a lot needs to be done, but the moves that do are significant. LW for Geno's line is probably the easiest to solve with who is available, so I'd probably start there.

WAT?
This guy don't want Hall... get the pitch-forks!

 

[Gurglesons]

Is this a serious question? (this was my initial response as well before i read Soggy's.)

I take this and run 100% of the time. Radulov would be absolute dynamite in the top-6. He's the prototype of a Sullivan-beloved player.

Don't tease me like this....

Meh. Stars fans are happy he is healthy scratched tonight.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

TIL floating a hypothetical like "Maybe competition adversely affects Murray instead of galvanizing him" is grounds for some serious and strong reactions around here.

So, what's Murray's deal? He just sucks all of the sudden? I think it's far more worrisome to think about other reasons why Murray's been bad for a full half a season over the course of the past calendar year than wondering if he's got to find a way to better deal with the potential of losing his starting job. Because if it's not a mental thing due to his competition, he's simply just nowhere near as good as we've all hoped since he broke into the league and got hot at the right time for two Cup runs.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

WAT?
This guy don't want Hall... get the pitch-forks!

I mean, I want Hall because he's a phenomenal player, but I don't want to gut the prospect pool to have the privilege of paying an injury prone guy Geno-money.

 

[LOGiK]

I mean, I want Hall because he's a phenomenal player, but I don't want to gut the prospect pool to have the privilege of paying an injury prone guy Geno-money.

What if, in some other dimension or something, the penguins pick-up an injury prone player and he proceeds to never get injured.
That can happen, right?

 

[Tender Rip]

Meh. Stars fans are happy he is healthy scratched tonight.

Don't know what's up with that or if there's anything behind the scenes, but the idea that one could get Radulov with two more years at 6.25 for UFA Chucky.... that seems to me just a little too juicy to imagine. I would like to add to make that happen though. Makes our top 6 pretty damn ridiculous over the length of Geno's contract and Radulov would fit great with both Geno and Sid.

Most likely a pipe dream though.

 

[WayneSid9987]

Certainly interesting that Rad's is being HS'ed.
Looked up his stats and he's half his normal clip of a PPG basically but his +/- is normal.
This just age or is he playing injured or...?

 

[Gurglesons]

Don't know what's up with that or if there's anything behind the scenes, but the idea that one could get Radulov with two more years at 6.25 for UFA Chucky.... that seems to me just a little too juicy to imagine. I would like to add to make that happen though. Makes our top 6 pretty damn ridiculous over the length of Geno's contract and Radulov would fit great with both Geno and Sid.

Most likely a pipe dream though.

I think that Radulov is way more of a risk over that contract than some are stating.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

What if, in some other dimension or something, the penguins pick-up an injury prone player and he proceeds to never get injured.
That can happen, right?

I do think the injury thing with Hall is a bit overblown, to be fair, but when you're dealing with the kind of assets and cap-hit that we're talking about with Hall, you don't really want any of that kind of stuff to be in the conversation.

I think Kreider or Palmieri are also great fits and solve our problems without spending a ton of assets via trade and then paying said player $9 million+.

 

[WayneSid9987]

I think the more interesting doable deal is Horny for Radulov.
Would ya do it?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think the more interesting doable deal is Horny for Radulov.
Would ya do it?

If we trade Hornqvist it's because he wants out, imo. Not that I really want to spend north of $5 million for a PP specialist/third line guy who is getting more injury prone as time drags on, but I'm not a fan of Radulov either. Dude's always seemed like a dick to me, and I don't think this lockerroom needs another selfish dick butting heads with the coach.

 

[66-30-33]

Simon, ZAR, JJ for Rad.

Who says yes?

Byram for Hall? lol! Sakic would be out of his mind if that fell through, but Hall on the Avalanche would be interesting. Hope he goes out West.

 

[66-30-33]

I just think you run with this lineup and adjust accordingly over the next year or so;

Jake-Sid-Kahun
?-Geno-Rust
McCann-?-Hornqvist
Lafferty/Simon-Blueger-Tanev

Dumo-Letang
?-Marino
Petts-Riikola

You don't need a Hall, per se, because the cost to acquire/re-sign probably neuters our ability to flesh out a team. I think Kreider is an unbelievably good option for Geno-Rust. No idea who you get for that 3C spot, though Pageau would be my top pick (and not because of his recent scoring pace, I wanted him when we went after Brassard). The LD needs to be a significant player too, imo.

Not a lot needs to be done, but the moves that do are significant. LW for Geno's line is probably the easiest to solve with who is available, so I'd probably start there.

3C...Sam Bennett.
2LW...Kreider would be a nice pipe dream but NYR wont trade him to us.
2LD...no idea.

McCann-Sid-Kahun
Jake-Malkin-Rust
Wood-Bennett-Tanev

 

[Tom Hanks]

Galchenyuk for Radulov. One for one. Yes or no?

No. He’s 33, declining and we’d also have to protect him in the expansion draft. We could trade Chucky for something else and not locked into a bigger riskier contract (signed 6.25 mil NMC and til end of 2021-22, 15 team NTC last 2 seasons)

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

3C...Sam Bennett.
2LW...Kreider would be a nice pipe dream but NYR wont trade him to us.
2LD...no idea.

McCann-Sid-Kahun
Jake-Malkin-Rust
Wood-Bennett-Tanev

Kreider's a FA this summer, isn't he? That's probably our only chance.

And what's with everyone's absurd insistence to put Jake with Geno now as opposed to playing him with Sid? Geno and Jake have looked good for like 10 games or so, Sid and Jake have looked good for years now. Don't overthink this stuff, Sid-Jake and Geno-Rust are the combos.

 

[LOGiK]

I do think the injury thing with Hall is a bit overblown, to be fair, but when you're dealing with the kind of assets and cap-hit that we're talking about with Hall, you don't really want any of that kind of stuff to be in the conversation.

I think Kreider or Palmieri are also great fits and solve our problems without spending a ton of assets via trade and then paying said player $9 million+.

Whats he done that gets him 9+ mil?
He only gets 6mil now.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Whats he done that gets him 9+ mil?
He only gets 6mil now.

In free agency? Hall's probably going to get $9 million or more, I'd say that's realistic. If he only got Jake money, I'd be all over it, but I don't think that's a possibility.

He may take something like $8.5 million from a contender after years of struggling on horrible teams, but he'll probably get around Geno money if I had to guess.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Whats he done that gets him 9+ mil?
He only gets 6mil now.

1.12 PPG over last 3 seasons (career 0.9 PPG) and a Hart in 2018.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Hall on a good team would be obnoxiously good, imo. He's been able to put forth really strong performances in recent years while on some truly awful teams.

 

[CrosbyMalkin]

Ok if the theory is that Murray is rattled by Jarry than he is not and will not be a top goalie in this league. All the greats have a certain personality they believe they are the best. You can't get rattled by another goalie, you'd never last.

If he didn't have competition than he'd get complacent. Always good to push someone to improve. There should always be a small discomfort for an athlete knowing he can be replaced if he stops performing to their best ability.

The theory that Murray is rattled by Jarry is insane. Murray started out just as bad last year for just as long also. Was he rattled by DeSmith also? It seems like Murray is a slow starter. We all saw how good Murray was after his slow start last year. He was one of the best from that time on.

Can people give this topic a break. Murray won two Cups and his play from December on has been one of the best since he has been in the league. Give me the second half goalie any day over someone like the Flower who wilted in the playoffs almost every year after his 2009 Cup performance. In my opinion he cost us a few Cups during those next 5 years.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

No. He’s 33, declining and we’d also have to protect him in the expansion draft. We could trade Chucky for something else and not locked into a bigger riskier contract (signed 6.25 mil NMC and til end of 2021-22, 15 team NTC last 2 seasons)

People throw around the word "declining" pretty quick these days.

Radulov had his best NHL season ever last year, with a better P/G than Benn or Seguin. Or Guentzel for that matter.

Everybody seems to be having trouble scoring in Dallas this year. Are they all declining?

 

[Hamurai]

In free agency? Hall's probably going to get $9 million or more, I'd say that's realistic. If he only got Jake money, I'd be all over it, but I don't think that's a possibility.

He may take something like $8.5 million from a contender after years of struggling on horrible teams, but he'll probably get around Geno money if I had to guess.

McKenzie yesterday said likely 6-7 years and $10m+ Aav

I love hall, but I wouldn’t want the pens to give him that