Confirmed Signing with Link: [PIT] D John Marino signs extension (6 years, $4.4M AAV)

[WheresRamziAbid]

In these flat cap seasons and only coming off one decent season, that is a risky contract for a former 6th round pick. Would have been much smarter to bridge him at a much lower AAV.

Rutherford seems to have lots of brain cramps these days

Nah

 

[OtherThingsILike]

0 points -7 in 7 games. Looking great!

Great turnover on the GWG tonight

Oh no, not 7 games where things aren't going his way. What ever shall we do?

 

[Smif]

I’d kinda expect to get some cover from Leafs fans. He’s carrying Cody Ceci whilst playing on his off side.

Enough said.

 

[bleedgreen]

I listened on Sirius the other night to the Pens broadcast and they themselves said Marino wasn’t playing like the guy he was last year and that he’s off to a bad start. No need to make excuses for him. It seems fairly known he’s off to a crap start.

 

[Big McLargehuge]

I listened on Sirius the other night to the Pens broadcast and they themselves said Marino wasn’t playing like the guy he was last year and that he’s off to a bad start. No need to make excuses for him. It seems fairly known he’s off to a crap start.

I'd say playing on your off-side with Cody Ceci is a very valid excuse.

That doesn't explain how poorly he played against Philadelphia & Washington, however. Sophomore jitters, lack of pre-season, who knows. I'm not worried in the slightest, but Marino has looked poor early on.

 

[snipes]

I'd say playing on your off-side with Cody Ceci is a very valid excuse.

That doesn't explain how poorly he played against Philadelphia & Washington, however. Sophomore jitters, lack of pre-season, who knows. I'm not worried in the slightest, but Marino has looked poor early on.

I mean, anyone who has been around hockey knows it’s very tough for young D men in particular to break into this league.

Progression is almost never linear with D men as well.

The old “wait at least 300 games” with D men applies here as well. There are growing pains at that position that literally almost every D man goes through.

He’ll be fine. He played over his head last year and that gave some altered perceptions about where he should be now, it takes time with young D men and they’ll make mistakes or have stretches of poor games. It happens.

 

[PensandCaps]

Weird year, no camp, no preseason.

whatever. He's too great to be bad. It's just a slump.

 

[lakai17]

Don't be an analytics guy. Marino has done nothing but exceeded expectations since his arrival.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Young player going through growing pains.

this is normal, he’s still going to be a very good player going forward

 

[Carl33]

Stats lies on this one...

Watch few games last week... Marino was very solid in his own zone, good play, bloc shot, good positionning

But in the O zone and PP 2 he dont shoot the puck... always make low risk play, send deep or pass to F... dont shoot enough even on PP, no shots...

 

[Richard]

He is the opposite of Maatta ---- he can actually skate

 

[Jerkbait]

Stats lies on this one...

Watch few games last week... Marino was very solid in his own zone, gst ood play, bloc shot, good positionning

But in the O zone and PP 2 he dont shoot the puck... always make low risk play, send deep or pass to F... dont shoot enough even on PP, no shots...

At times he has looked like the pens best D..other times he looked like a rookie, mistakes here and there. Turnovers galore and poor positioning. There n9ndoubt he gonna be good but looks like a sophomore slump a tad

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Saw now he is injured.. been a rough go so far this season for him

 

[kerrabria]

Marino is fine, but, as I said before the season started, Pens HF completely overhypes their young defensemen out the ass. It's the same thing every single year with thinking they found the diamond in the rough.
2013-14...Maatta
2015-16...Schultz
2016-17...Dumoulin
2017-18...Oleksiak
2018-19...Pettersson
2019-20...Marino
Next up is PO Joseph
Still, is Marino worth $4m long term? Yea, probably, because he doesn't suck, and $4m isn't that much money in the current year+6.

 

[SomeDude]

Saw now he is injured.. been a rough go so far this season for him

...and who knows if its is something that has been lingering for a bit.

 

[ownal]

Marino is fine, but, as I said before the season started, Pens HF completely overhypes their young defensemen out the ass. It's the same thing every single year with thinking they found the diamond in the rough.
2013-14...Maatta
2015-16...Schultz
2016-17...Dumoulin
2017-18...Oleksiak
2018-19...Pettersson
2019-20...Marino
Next up is PO Joseph
Still, is Marino worth $4m long term? Yea, probably, because he doesn't suck, and $4m isn't that much money in the current year+6.

In real money he is owed $1,750,000 next year and the year after that $3,500,000. He is absolutely worth that.

 

[SomeDude]

Marino is fine, but, as I said before the season started, Pens HF completely overhypes their young defensemen out the ass. It's the same thing every single year with thinking they found the diamond in the rough.
2013-14...Maatta
2015-16...Schultz
2016-17...Dumoulin
2017-18...Oleksiak
2018-19...Pettersson
2019-20...Marino
Next up is PO Joseph
Still, is Marino worth $4m long term? Yea, probably, because he doesn't suck, and $4m isn't that much money in the current year+6.

Maatta got destroyed by injuries and cancer
Who was overhyping Schultz? Other than "he's not the worst defenseman in the history of the world like we were told." Pens fans were pretty critical of his defensive play during his time here.
Dumoulin is a great player and a top pairing guy on back to back Cup teams. Up until destroying his ankle, one of the best shutdown d-men in the league. Time will tell if he can get to that level again.
Again, who was hyping Oleksiak? A lot of Pens fans never even liked him
For a 3rd time...who has been hyping up Pettersson? Saying that getting a solid middle-pair D for a fringe NHLer in Sprong is a steal is not hyping him up, it's true.
Marino is worth the hype
I have not seen anyone hyping Joseph other than saying he's been pleasantly solid so far.

 

[Bevans]

Oh no, not 7 games where things aren't going his way. What ever shall we do?

For one, you could have offered him a contract today instead of during the off-season. Might have saved a buck or two.

 

[kerrabria]

Maatta got destroyed by injuries and cancer
Who was overhyping Schultz? Other than "he's not the worst defenseman in the history of the world like we were told." Pens fans were pretty critical of his defensive play during his time here.
Dumoulin is a great player and a top pairing guy on back to back Cup teams. Up until destroying his ankle, one of the best shutdown d-men in the league. Time will tell if he can get to that level again.
Again, who was hyping Oleksiak? A lot of Pens fans never even liked him
For a 3rd time...who has been hyping up Pettersson? Saying that getting a solid middle-pair D for a fringe NHLer in Sprong is a steal is not hyping him up, it's true.
Marino is worth the hype
I have not seen anyone hyping Joseph other than saying he's been pleasantly solid so far.

Maatta was not destroyed by anything. He was a great rookie D who Penguins fans anointed the next perennial Norris candidate, and when he was misused by Sullivan, he became the whipping boy who shouldn't even be playing in an NHL top 6. Despite all of this, Maatta was always, and still is, a solid middle pair D. Nothing more, nothing less.
Specifically when Schultz came over after the deadline and the season afterwards, people were saying that he was a stud top 4 guy. It wasn't until he stopped putting up points that people admitted he was a bottom pair PP specialist.
Dumoulin was hyped as the Pens' new and true 1D when Letang was injured, and even still people pretend like he's in the Slavin tier of defensive abilities. He's a good 3D.
There absolutely was a period when Oleksiak was doing some fancy stickhandling and skating well that Pens fans thought they had scored yet another top 4 offensive D for nothing.
Pretending like Pettersson wasn't given the savior treatment after the Sprong trade is just flat out dishonest. After his absolute garbage year last year, people have cooled the jets, but he was sucked off daily before Marino arrived.

 

[crab]

Maatta was not destroyed by anything. He was a great rookie D who Penguins fans anointed the next perennial Norris candidate, and when he was misused by Sullivan, he became the whipping boy who shouldn't even be playing in an NHL top 6. Despite all of this, Maatta was always, and still is, a solid middle pair D. Nothing more, nothing less.
Specifically when Schultz came over after the deadline and the season afterwards, people were saying that he was a stud top 4 guy. It wasn't until he stopped putting up points that people admitted he was a bottom pair PP specialist.
Dumoulin was hyped as the Pens' new and true 1D when Letang was injured, and even still people pretend like he's in the Slavin tier of defensive abilities. He's a good 3D.
There absolutely was a period when Oleksiak was doing some fancy stickhandling and skating well that Pens fans thought they had scored yet another top 4 offensive D for nothing.
Pretending like Pettersson wasn't given the savior treatment after the Sprong trade is just flat out dishonest. After his absolute garbage year last year, people have cooled the jets, but he was sucked off daily before Marino arrived.

I like this guy.

 

[TooManyHumans]

Maatta absolutely was hurt by the injuries and disease. I don't know how anyone denies that.

 

[PAZ]

The jury is still very much out there who is better between Myers, Marino, and Gavrikov. All are very promising young defenseman, but it's a bit pre-mature to say Marino is better than the other two. Dekeyser looked better than all 3 of them in his 1st year, but that hasn't translated into success long-term.

Lol no it's not. Marino is just clearly the best of that group. Marino is closer to Fox than he is to Myers and Gavrikov.

Both Gavrikov and Myers are very good, don't get me wrong, but Marino is a level above them so far. Same deal with Cernak, who I saw also signed a 3 year deal at about $3 million recently.

@Empoleon8771 Sooo you were saying? Not saying Marino is a bad player or the contract is bad, but again these type of comments are a bit premature. Nobody knows how they are going to develop, it's not linear.

 

[DesertPenguin]

Marino is still fine. Nothing to see here.

 

[SomeDude]

Maatta was not destroyed by anything. He was a great rookie D who Penguins fans anointed the next perennial Norris candidate, and when he was misused by Sullivan, he became the whipping boy who shouldn't even be playing in an NHL top 6. Despite all of this, Maatta was always, and still is, a solid middle pair D. Nothing more, nothing less.
Specifically when Schultz came over after the deadline and the season afterwards, people were saying that he was a stud top 4 guy. It wasn't until he stopped putting up points that people admitted he was a bottom pair PP specialist.
Dumoulin was hyped as the Pens' new and true 1D when Letang was injured, and even still people pretend like he's in the Slavin tier of defensive abilities. He's a good 3D.
There absolutely was a period when Oleksiak was doing some fancy stickhandling and skating well that Pens fans thought they had scored yet another top 4 offensive D for nothing.
Pretending like Pettersson wasn't given the savior treatment after the Sprong trade is just flat out dishonest. After his absolute garbage year last year, people have cooled the jets, but he was sucked off daily before Marino arrived.

Saying that Maatta's career and trajectory was not affected by injuries and illness is just ridiculous.
You're full of BS on Schultz. It was widely regarded as a terrible move at the deadline when it happened by Pens fans. The next year when he put up 51 points, of course he was being considered a top 4 d-man. Anyone would think that, even with the defensive liability.
Again calling BS on the Oleksiak claim.
I guess our definitions of overhyped are way different. The Pettersson trade was not well received initially as a lot of people were high on Sprong.

I feel like you are basing your claims off of maybe 2 or 3 trolls/homers. If you did that, you would say every fanbase is insane. Come to the Pens main board where most people think every player is garbage.

The amount of people bumping this thread giddy to point out a 7 game span where Marino hasn't played his best is hilarious. The contract remains a a great move and no sane Penguins fan would change anything about it. At least JR gave us that before bouncing.

 

[kerrabria]

Saying that Maatta's career and trajectory was not affected by injuries and illness is just ridiculous.
You're full of BS on Schultz. It was widely regarded as a terrible move at the deadline when it happened by Pens fans. The next year when he put up 51 points, of course he was being considered a top 4 d-man. Anyone would think that, even with the defensive liability.
Again calling BS on the Oleksiak claim.
I guess our definitions of overhyped are way different. The Pettersson trade was not well received initially as a lot of people were high on Sprong.

I feel like you are basing your claims off of maybe 2 or 3 trolls/homers. If you did that, you would say every fanbase is insane. Come to the Pens main board where most people think every player is garbage.

The amount of people bumping this thread giddy to point out a 7 game span where Marino hasn't played his best is hilarious. The contract remains a a great move and no sane Penguins fan would change anything about it. At least JR gave us that before bouncing.

I stopped going to the Pens board years ago because the hive mind is so intolerable.
Everything I just said was correct. I have one of these back-and-forths with Pens fans like every three months, and I am consistently proven right.
Marino is good. The contract is fine. But Marino is not 1D caliber like people were saying just a few months ago, and it doesn't surprise me that some posters are getting their kicks in for posts like the ones from the first pages.