In what universe is a 3 game sample size in 74-75 Orr's second best playoff run? You don't think he did better in 1972, when he won a smythe thanks to a performance of 24 points and + 20 in 15 games?
Being a plus 7 in a 3 game series indicates the level of dominance that Orr had in that 3 game series, it's not his fault the rest of the team faltered, if it is then sure throw Hasek out too because it's obviously his fault that the sabers couldn't win the SC with him right?
The 72 Smythe year is also part of his 3 best performances and it is going to be included in any 5 year run so why are you bringing that up?
It's either 69-70 or 74-75 that isn't going to make the 5 year bar you set here.
Again though - you pick a player, you get him for 5 years. We're not copy/pasting his stats. You get him for 5 years with the other player (in Orr's case - Mario) I identified, and whatever happens happens. Just because in reality in 1975 Orr happened to only play 3 playoff games, doesn't mean that w/Mario he doesn't maybe do a lot better. That's the idea of this thread, speculation as to which duo works out better over the 5 year stretch.
My bad, I didn't realize that the point of this thread was to not look at actual facts but rather to speculate....using what exactly?
Would love to hear how Hasek tilts the ice 200ft better than Mario does.
I brought up the example of the worst year in the 5 year sample for Hasek, you know the one where he wasn't the 1st team all star and wasn't top 3 in Hart voting (which he was in the ohter 4 years) and he still had a save % of .920 while the other goalies on his team were under .900 collectively.
I've always found the expression "tilts the ice" to be much to do about nothing.
It's not an expression, it can be and is measured in ESGF/ESGA ratios and R-on R-off numbers as well and then analyzed for context within any players team.
Mario simply doesn't tilt the ice anywhere near the level of Orr and Gretzky plain and simple.
I also think that it's the case that Hasek tilts it more as outlined above.
If we're talking about playoffs - i'd argue Mario's best 5 year stretch is superior to Orr's, and certainly to Hasek's (by a lot).
Really why would that be as Mario didn't even tilt the ice enough to get his team into the playoffs and once there he certainly didn't have the overall impact that Orr did nor Hasek.
I really feel like I'm wasting my time arguing with you. Pretty sure I remember in the past you saying Crosby is better than Lemieux. Some outrageous undervaluing of some players are probably better left alone.
Mario is over rated but if one only wants to look at video game stats and not overall impact then sure you are wasting your time here as all one really needs to do is look up stats, something you seem to argue selectively anyways given the Orr comment above.
