The talk about QC hadn't picked up at that point. I think that really gained steamed once Atlanta was relocated, and then it was thought that Yotes could still be moved. Talk about Markham picked up around that time too, and the expansion word started getting thrown around on top of the relo talk.
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The talk about QC hadn't picked up at that point. I think that really gained steamed once Atlanta was relocated, and then it was thought that Yotes could still be moved. Talk about Markham picked up around that time too, and the expansion word started getting thrown around on top of the relo talk.
They should also get rid of the sticks and pads as well, to make the game accessible for all income groups. And get rid of the goaltender as well, to increase scoring.
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I think there were two reasons:
1. Atlanta happened pretty quickly, while Phoenix had years to prepare for the disappointment.
2. Just speaking from my own position, I remember being upset that there were so many teams in the sunbelt; I was therefore trashing the sunbelt's relationship with hockey without thinking about the feelings of the old Atlanta fans. I believe I wasn't the only person who did this. Since Seattle didn't really lose a team to the sunbelt, I don't think that anger will be there.
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I cant wait till tomorrow to see what bettman/daly will say about the seattle mayor going to the press and saying they're cleary plan B.
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We dont really know. The only way it works though, your absolutely correct, is if the NHL franchise has the master arena management contract or an extremely lucrative local broadcasting contract with some but perhaps not all of the revenue streams as per Wangs deal with Barclays. If these potential owners in Seattle were to buy the Coyotes, then hold a press conference telling the World that they are either partnering up with Hansen or building their own NHL specific arena (lets say in Bellevue or TBA) which will be opening in 3yrs or less, then OK. Giddyup. But if their idly waiting for the NBA & Hansen, playing as tenants, no revenue streams, just forget it.
Indoor soccer without goalies, so that's Bettman's plan!
Damn you Bettman! Damn you to hell!
Would make an interesting gedanken experiment to think what might have happened if both Winnie and QC were ready at the same time back in the day. Highest bidder, or...?
If the reaction is typical, they would lose status haha. However who knows the reaction to a political figure.
It's mind boggling why the league has a tried and tested market that could be a mint and end problems, but not choose it with preference for an untested market.
Agreed. But I also think the NHL is serious (reluctantly) about Seattle.
Maybe this "handshake deal" has the NHL hoping the council is giving in, and leaking the Seattle plan B is the final push to get them to vote yes. That really can be the only reason this was leaked out. It isn't a grand conspiracy to get PKP to pay more, it's to get COG to cave. The NHL remains 100% committed to keeping the Coyotes in Glendale, even if it means pushing Seattle in front of a bus.
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Despite the arguments war between Québec City sympatizer and Seattle's own on who should get the team, there is still a big possibility stays put.
There could be two dissapointed city by the end of the month.
There could be two dissapointed city by the end of the month.
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If thwy wind up with the team, i think this will just delay the inevitable. Starting with so much debt in such a weak market just wont end well. Phoenix needs a deep pocketed owner with money to burn. That's not ice edge.
So is the general opinion that Glendale is going to vote down raising the AMF?
And is that backed with evidence, or just opinion?
And is that backed with evidence, or just opinion?
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http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1446443&page=27
On Friday, council voted to keep the budget with the AMF at $6.5 millions
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Theyve already (Friday June 14th) finalized their Budget for fiscal 13/14, Voted & Enshrined the $6.5M Max for the Arena Management Fee. Its done. Councillor Gary Sherwood is claiming he along with RSE will be submitting a new proposal that bridges the gap of their differences through new found revenue sources, which will be presented later this week. Meanwhile, the 2 shortlisted Arena Mgmnt Firms will be making presentations to the Mayor & Council tomorrow & Tuesday, a decision made Wednesday, a final public announcement made June 25th, the selection taking over July 01. So. Between now & then, RSE & Sherwood had better come up with something pretty compelling (and creative) that doesnt require anymore than the $6.5M & convince the City they should be entrusted to make a go of it or their done. Out. Additionally, Sherwoods claimed (since denied by Bettman) that another group with serious monies circling, they preparing an offer that will be forthcoming on Friday the 21st. Could well be the group with Roenick & the Seattle connection, could be Hulsizer, could be Sherwood dreaming in technicolor. No idea.
the mystery glendale funding. It remains unclear if that means Hadron (Bartozsek and Lanza with Roenick) or not. And if it's Hadron, it's unclear if their approaches to Glendale were genuine or simply first advances in the process to placate them while waiting for a July 2nd deadline to move them to Seattle.
Sun Media, a Quebecor Media company.
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3. They been told to shut up and they are doing that until told otherwise.
The surprising part is how Seattle are not keeping quiet at all. It almost like if the NHL does not mind if Seattle help them stir the pot! PKP is playing by the rule book. Either he already know it was never coming his way this Summer or he already has a deal. Regardless he not about to put his current or future partnership with the NHL in jeopardy to go public without the NHL "Okay" just to talk a few hockey boards and twitter off the ledge.
completely zero leaks? No rumours? Nothing?
yeah, that happens very often when deals like this go down, right?
Look at atlanta to winnipeg in the few weeks before it went down. Everything was happening.
yeah, people keep saying this is what Winnipeg was like. This is nothing at all like Winnipeg. Winnipeg was a freaking sieve compared to this... every single person knew that the Thrashers were going there. It was on TSN every day, HNIC every Hot Stove, the front page of every paper. It was in the local media in Winnipeg and Atlanta.
People need to stop deluding themselves here. There is no conspiracy of silence. Every NHL reporter is not obfuscating the facts to deny Quebecor any coverage. That's asinine. Why did we know Rogers and Bell were buying MLSE, by this logic? Shouldn't rival media companies have kept those rumors buried? Sometimes no news means there's no news. Sometimes "we have a tentative lease agreement in Seattle" means there's a tentative lease agreement in Seattle. Sometimes irrational decisions are made, especially when you're dealing with the NHL.
Two questions:
Why are people here going on about 11 000 seats in the Key Arena when Wikipedia has the number at 15 000+ seats for hockey? Is that 11 000 unobstructed seats and 4000 obstructed seats?
Can the growth fund be used to mitigate losses the team incurs in Seattle? If so, how much are we talking about?
Why are people here going on about 11 000 seats in the Key Arena when Wikipedia has the number at 15 000+ seats for hockey? Is that 11 000 unobstructed seats and 4000 obstructed seats?
Can the growth fund be used to mitigate losses the team incurs in Seattle? If so, how much are we talking about?
Right, how do es the following scenario sound to experienced Bettman watchers.
Gary does not want to get burned by having to move a team and be struggling to find somewhere to put it. It helps him to have a little black book of potential owners in different cities he can call upon. To be in the book you need to be wealthy, have a market with either growth potential for the game or a solid fan base and be able to play by his rules and keep shut.
The team (who we shall call the Desert Dogs) needs moving but he doesn't want to be seen to be moving them. He plays the local council as much as possible until they appear to be forcibly kicking his team out, at which point he looks innocent and hurt.
Meanwhile Gary has his pre-prepared plan B of a move far North even though he is reluctant to go there because it would make a nice market as a fall-back in the future. In fact he would prepare to keep them as the all-purpose plan B. The prospective buyer from far North, whom we shall call Pierre, knows he has leverage and doesn't want to over pay Gary.
Suddenly another owner in a market Gary loves appears, though probably too late to make a move. Gary hears them out, likes what they have to say and decides to give them a green light to prepare just like Pierre had.
Final possibilities for Gary:
1. The Desert Dogs throw more money at him to stay. Win for Gary.
2. The above doesn't happen but Pierre panics and ups the offer. The new potential owners in the hot market get to carry on preparing for being teh next plan B or for expansion. Win for Gary.
3. Neither of the above happen, so Gary agrees to deal with the new group but in the meantime keeps the Desert Dogs one more year by renting a home. This gives his new friends an extra year to cpmplete all their preparations and means they spent less time in a cruddy old building. Pierre stays as plan B or waits for an expansion. Win for Gary.
In order to achieve all of this Gary just has to sit back and say nothing. The three dogs fight over the bone and Gary knows he has future plan B and expansion sorted.
Gary does not want to get burned by having to move a team and be struggling to find somewhere to put it. It helps him to have a little black book of potential owners in different cities he can call upon. To be in the book you need to be wealthy, have a market with either growth potential for the game or a solid fan base and be able to play by his rules and keep shut.
The team (who we shall call the Desert Dogs) needs moving but he doesn't want to be seen to be moving them. He plays the local council as much as possible until they appear to be forcibly kicking his team out, at which point he looks innocent and hurt.
Meanwhile Gary has his pre-prepared plan B of a move far North even though he is reluctant to go there because it would make a nice market as a fall-back in the future. In fact he would prepare to keep them as the all-purpose plan B. The prospective buyer from far North, whom we shall call Pierre, knows he has leverage and doesn't want to over pay Gary.
Suddenly another owner in a market Gary loves appears, though probably too late to make a move. Gary hears them out, likes what they have to say and decides to give them a green light to prepare just like Pierre had.
Final possibilities for Gary:
1. The Desert Dogs throw more money at him to stay. Win for Gary.
2. The above doesn't happen but Pierre panics and ups the offer. The new potential owners in the hot market get to carry on preparing for being teh next plan B or for expansion. Win for Gary.
3. Neither of the above happen, so Gary agrees to deal with the new group but in the meantime keeps the Desert Dogs one more year by renting a home. This gives his new friends an extra year to cpmplete all their preparations and means they spent less time in a cruddy old building. Pierre stays as plan B or waits for an expansion. Win for Gary.
In order to achieve all of this Gary just has to sit back and say nothing. The three dogs fight over the bone and Gary knows he has future plan B and expansion sorted.
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