Phoenix LXXXIX: If you don't approve it, we must move it!

[Slashers98]

Seconded. And I believe CasualFan and certainly Tinalera, KevyD and a few others members of the same voting block... now, wheres the polling station, where are my car keys, car, as I cant seem to remember much since about 9pm lastnight. When do the polls close?

The NHL will not own the Coyotes in Phoenix next season... What makes you believe this? It's non-sense.

 

[Donwood]

What possible logic would there be in another year in Glendale? Massive losses and still no logical financial way to keep them there. The fact this is gone on this long should be an indication they are leaving not staying.

 

[madhi19]

Phoenix XC:Three days left to get to full C!

 

[JimmyRaynor]

i thought of a way Glendale can raise a few million quickly.

Betman v. Weiers

inside the confines of a 20 foot high steel cage.

no ring
no ref
no rules

 

[metalfoot]

The NHL will not own the Coyotes in Phoenix next season... What makes you believe this? It's non-sense.

NHL dragged its feet too long and there is no place (QC notwithstanding) which they can plunk the Coyotes into on such short notice.

For whatever reason, QC seems to be right off the NHL radar at the moment.

Thus, logical conclusion is -- nowhere else to go, no local owners = stuck in Glendale for another year, but this time playing by Glendale's tune.

I personally don't believe QC is right out, but that's just my personal opinion. Fact is, we're hearing NOTHING from QC right now, and with Winnipeg, there was all sorts of stuff out there.

 

[BeardedCanuck]

What possible logic would there be in another year in Glendale? Massive losses and still no logical financial way to keep them there. The fact this is gone on this long should be an indication they are leaving not staying.

Only possible reason would be that there's not enough time to move the team, which in IMO there's plenty of time to move the team, it wouldn't be that hard to crank out 80 odd jerseys, if the team can't sell merchandise for a little while o well, the team will still make more money then leaving them in Phoenix where everyone would know the team is leaving after that year.

 

[JimmyRaynor]

NHL dragged its feet too long and there is no place (QC notwithstanding) which they can plunk the Coyotes into on such short notice.

For whatever reason, QC seems to be right off the NHL radar at the moment.

Thus, logical conclusion is -- nowhere else to go, no local owners = stuck in Glendale for another year, but this time playing by Glendale's tune.

i think you are probably wrong.

but, my heart wants you to be right.
it would be such a laugh to see Gary and Daly grit their teeth and smile and say how happy they are to be in glendale.

the 29 other owners will be very angry with gary if they have to own the team for another year in glendale.

these kinds of distressed situations are where PKP shines.

i hope the PKP realizes this is 1 case where you can skin the sheep.
and still sheer another sheep next year.

 

[GF]

The NHL paying rent to actually play hockey in the desert? That would be hilarious and well deserved. After claiming for years hockey can work in Arizona, they'd end up paying the real cost for operating the franchise. That's the bestest scenario evar.

 

[madhi19]

NHL dragged its feet too long and there is no place (QC notwithstanding) which they can plunk the Coyotes into on such short notice.

For whatever reason, QC seems to be right off the NHL radar at the moment.

Thus, logical conclusion is -- nowhere else to go, no local owners = stuck in Glendale for another year, but this time playing by Glendale's tune.

No way the NHL backdown now. Because then who would believe the NHL when they say. "Do this or else!" While they sure won't like loosing Qc as an expansion target it sure beat having multiple cities start believing that the league is no longer serious when they threaten to leave.

 

[JimmyRaynor]

this has been 4 years of shadowboxing
4 years of jabs and feints
a 4 year battle between PKP (acquisitions specialist) and Bettman.

Finally, PKP has the tiny perfect commissioner cornered.

After 4 long years,
the NHL will now be dealing on PKP's terms.

 

[metalfoot]

this has been 4 years of shadowboxing
4 years of jabs and feints
a 4 year battle between PKP (acquisitions specialist) and Bettman.

Finally, PKP has the tiny perfect commissioner cornered.

After 4 long years,
the NHL will now be dealing on PKP's terms.

PKP wasn't actually in the picture 4 years ago. It was Balsillie back then.

 

[Llama19]

this has been 4 years of shadowboxing
4 years of jabs and feints
a 4 year battle between PKP (acquisitions specialist) and Bettman.

Finally, PKP has the tiny perfect commissioner cornered.

After 4 long years,
the NHL will now be dealing on PKP's terms.

Yeah, in the corner...

 

[enarwpg]

NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly on Glendale Mayor Jerry Weiers' characterization of July 2 as an artificial or forced deadline: "He can characterize it the way he wants, but it is what it is. We either get certainty in Glendale by July 2, or we immediately pursue our other options outside of Glendale. We have already gone past the date we were comfortable accommodating in the first place. I hope for the sake of the Coyotes fans in Glendale that they don't lose the team because of a miscalculation made by members of the City Council." From Morgan

I'm thinking it's more like misrepresentation / miscalculation of the $ amount of additional revenue streams by RSE.

 

[Killion]

It would not be the first time Gary and Bill lie. They both said its Phoenix or relocation next season.

Bluff.

The NHL will not own the Coyotes in Phoenix next season... What makes you believe this? It's non-sense.

I wish it was "nonsense" Slashers, because it is "nonsensical". Not how you should be running your league.

What possible logic would there be in another year in Glendale? Massive losses and still no logical financial way to keep them there. The fact this is gone on this long should be an indication they are leaving not staying.

All kinds of logical reasons for keeping them parked. danissh put up an excellent post sometime ago that itemized a great many factors as to why the NHL would stay put for 13/14, possibly even beyond. Prevalent amongst those reasons being the Cap & the hits the bottom feeding teams would take if the franchise were to be sold to a market like QC where success is a certainty. The floor & ceiling rising as a result and unimpeded. Combined with the possible ascendancies in Toronto, New York & certainly now Chicago, HRR's reaching new record levels. Artificially, the league requiring some real dogs to keep to keep the drag ropes secured. They snap, your looking at some serious meltdowns in Florida, Nashville, Columbus & elsewhere.

Thus, logical conclusion is -- nowhere else to go, no local owners = stuck in Glendale for another year, but this time playing by Glendale's tune.

Ya, and they can turn it around as they have for the past 4yrs with their "we dont run out on cities" schtick for another 12mnths. Bought & paid for, operated on a LOC, they could park for it 2, 3 more years & sell it to Hamilton or NE Toronto interests. Wait for things to get sorted in Seattle over the next year, a preferred destination. Expand in 2015 X's 2. QC & Southern Ontario. Gary isnt lying when he says they have lots of options.

 

[Govment Cheese]

http://glendale-az.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=1868

Two hours into the work shop video and can stop watching. Others here have talked about reading a book about this whole mess. But, IMO this saga is mini-series material.

Big difference from the old COG and the new. Old COG would have rubber stamped the deal without reading it. This new COG is get some good council. Giving the COG a color by "numbers" coloring book of this turkey of a deal. The big question is can/will the some of the COG stay with in the lines or just scribble all over the page?

 

[LPHabsFan]

I'm thinking it's more like misrepresentation / miscalculation of the $ amount of additional revenue streams by RSE.

How is it a misrepresentation of additional revenue streams?

 

[Killion]

...the 29 other owners will be very angry with gary if they have to own the team for another year in glendale.

Not when you look at the bigger picture. They'd be angrier than a hive of Yellowjackets if the basement Cap rises by $3M, $5M, $7M or more over the next few years with Quebec's success, Montreals by rote, all of the Canadian franchises really. As insane as it sounds, as what Im saying here actually is, that you want to Pejorative Slur, stop, put the brakes on HRR increases, this I believe is a serious issue amongst the BOG's. Right out of the box, Quebec would be spectacular. Look at Winnipeg? And Id bet you QC would surpass even them. So to quote myself & post again...

Prevalent amongst those reasons being the Cap & the hits the bottom feeding teams would take if the franchise were to be sold to a market like QC where success is a certainty. The floor & ceiling rising as a result and unimpeded. Combined with the possible ascendancies in Toronto, New York & certainly now Chicago, HRR's reaching new record levels. Artificially, the league requiring some real dogs to keep to keep the drag ropes secured. They snap, your looking at some serious meltdowns in Florida, Nashville, Columbus & elsewhere.

 

[Donwood]

Bettman and the NHL won't let Glendale dictate terms to them. If RSE fails Glendale has the upper hand. The HRR reason doesn't hold water in the long term, what about when they do move expand in time to Southern Ontario or other good locations. To me it's a lazy answer to why the team could stay. Without Phoenix, the bottom feeders can get a nice slice of the revenue sharing that the NHL would pump into Phoenix.

 

[Material Defender]

Ya, Seattle's far from being a "slam dunk". I dont even think their on the court to be perfectly Frank about it. Way too many "moving parts" as Dreger puts it. An awful lot of due-dilly to be done before rolling the dice on that gambit. An awful lot of parties involved in order to garner a consensus including King County, Hansen, just on & on. There simply isnt enough time to do so and any number of obstacles could seriously trip up a new ownership group. If they guaranteed that regardless of whether or not the municipalities in Seattle, any one of them really, that they'd build an arena regardless using all of their own funds, then fine. But their not about to do that, no one is. So its either QC or another year of NHL ownership in Glendale. Cant see them suspending the franchise.

Like Quebec City wasn't a logical choice when the Thrashers moved, Seattle isn't either now. Maybe in a few years, just like Quebec City makes sense now.

 

[BeardedCanuck]

Not when you look at the bigger picture. They'd be angrier than a hive of Yellowjackets if the basement Cap rises by $3M, $5M, $7M or more over the next few years with Quebec's success, Montreals by rote, all of the Canadian franchises really. As insane as it sounds, as what Im saying here actually is, that you want to Pejorative Slur, stop, put the brakes on HRR increases, this I believe is a serious issue amongst the BOG's. Right out of the box, Quebec would be spectacular. Look at Winnipeg? And Id bet you QC would surpass even them. So to quote myself & post again...

So I don't know if it would work like this but wouldn't the teams that you mentioned would benefit from the Coyotoes moving to somewhere successful, wouldn't it mean more money from revenue sharing for them? Yea the cap may go up but so would revenue sharing so I don't see the disadvantage to those teams.

 

[Material Defender]

Phoenix XC:Three days left to get to full C!

Phoenix XC:Three Days Grace

 

[Killion]

Bettman and the NHL won't let Glendale dictate terms to them. If RSE fails Glendale has the upper hand. The HRR reason doesn't hold water in the long term, what about when they do move expand in time to Southern Ontario or other good locations. To me it's a lazy answer to why the team could stay. Without Phoenix, the bottom feeders can get a nice slice of the revenue sharing that the NHL would pump into Phoenix.

Glendale isnt dictating terms to the NHL, their dictating terms to RSE and at that, absolutely I believe the revised lease agreement goes down in flames regardless. RSE is being played by the NHL and they dont even know it. Theres no way that deal passes the COG or the BOG's. Its a charade. A front. Buys the league more time waiting for their preferred destination to get its act together, Pejorative Slurs any increase in HRR's short-term. So what the COG appoints SMG? The NHL simply pays $500K, $800K, a million to rent the facility for 41 dates including office space. Thats chump change to these guys. Could care less. Line of credit, get it on the other side when they sell for relo. Nothing "lazy" about it. Devious.

 

[onlyalad]

this has been 4 years of shadowboxing
4 years of jabs and feints
a 4 year battle between PKP (acquisitions specialist) and Bettman.

Finally, PKP has the tiny perfect commissioner cornered.

After 4 long years,
the NHL will now be dealing on PKP's terms.

Or they take their team and run to Seattle or Vegas or KC or Portland.
Or they stay in Glendale.
Just because people think the NHL will do better in QC doesn't mean they will get a team any time soon.
In fact it may be the very reason the NHL avoids moving a team there. They may want to expand and start a bidding war for a new team with more than one group. One thing we know about the NHL and Bettman is they are willing to take a loss.

 

[Wingsfan2965*]

So what's the latest that's even going on? People seem to be pretty confident that the CoG will vote no. Why's that?

 

[BeardedCanuck]

So what's the latest that's even going on? People seem to be pretty confident that the CoG will vote no. Why's that?

I think it's more the RSE will say no to the COG revised deal, bassically killing the deal.