Im curious if Dado would consider Penn Station and Union Station as subsidies to the NYR and TML.... Not their entire costs, of course, but if public money being spent on a venue used to play hockey games sometimes is a subsidy then isn't money spent on the public transportation system that gets fans to those games (and literally inside the venue) also a subsidy? or, at the very least, the hallways constructed solely to access the venues from the stations?.. I just want to be clear where subsidies begin and end.
Interesting question, debatable. Classic example would be the 2010 Olympics' out here in Vancouver/Whistler. Massive expenditures made to improve Hwy 99 between Vancouver & Whistler as the IOC had "concerns" about it, as in without improvements you likely wont win the games when the city was bidding, promising upgrades (numerous other examples as well (Athletes Village, Richmond's Oval & land reclamations, roads built etc)...
The costs to upgrade 99 well into the hundreds of millions but not included in the budget for Olympic Facility Construction & Infrastructure. Buried elsewhere. The highway absolutely needed improvements & up-grades & had for years, but under normal circumstances would have been completed gradually rather than hurriedly.
When the sitting government was questioned about it post games, as in "why werent the Hwy 99 upgrades included in the costs associated with securing & executing the games", they of course obfuscated, claiming hilariously at various times that the improvements had nothing to do with the games & access to Whistler, the 100's of millions spent irrelevant to the cost benefits in hosting the games and therefore excluded from the Olympic Games Budget.
When Terrace Investments in Ottawa set their sites on vacant farmland out in Kanata to build Scotiabank Arena & the development surrounding it, no highway interchange or exit, they promised to pay for its construction. Unfortunately they werent able to raise the app $6M required, the taxpayer ultimately picking up the tab so ya, that'd be a subsidy, because obviously without the cloverleaf & ease of access, big problem. Theoretically therefore, you could probably look at just about anywhere, any arena or stadium development, suburban or urban, whereby municipal, state or provincial authorities were indeed required to make upgrades or build transportation infrastructure that one could then point to as being a subsidy.
No offense Dado, but you're clearly better at providing qualitative analysis than quantitative analysis. It seems to me that you don't need the numbers at all to make your general point, and we both agree 100% on the conclusion that Quebecor will be getting a subsidy...
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Well there ya go. Some people just take the road less travelled, winding up at the same place as those who follow more prescribed routes marked on maps. I see no harm in someone wishing to take a more circuitous route, though clearly there are dangers along the way, traps & pitfalls best avoided.
