Phoenix LV: is Has Left the Building

kdb209 · Jun 19, 2012

madhi19 · Jun 19, 2012

The road goes on and on right from the door where it began....

No Fun Shogun · Jun 19, 2012

Looking forward to Phoenix CMXCIII: Election Night Part XXII....

roccerfeller · Jun 19, 2012

Was there any mention as to when the second and third counts were set for hearing?

madhi19 · Jun 19, 2012

I wonder what will the BoG say to Garry tonight?

kdb209 · Jun 19, 2012

madhi19 said:
The road goes on and on right from the door where it began....

Courtesy of Parts XV and XXXIV:

The Thread goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Thread has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,
Pursuing it with weary feet,
Until it joins some larger way
Where many paths and errands meet.
And whither then? I cannot say.

The Thread goes ever on and on
Out from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Thread has gone,
Let others follow it who can!
Let them a journey new begin,
But I at last with weary feet
Will turn towards the lighted inn,
My evening-rest and sleep to meet.

roccerfeller · Jun 19, 2012

madhi19 said:
I wonder what will the BoG say to Garry tonight?

I'd be surprised if their position changed

madhi19 · Jun 19, 2012

kdb209 said:
Courtesy of Parts XV and XXXIV:

Quote:
The Thread goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Thread has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,
Pursuing it with weary feet,
Until it joins some larger way
Where many paths and errands meet.
And whither then? I cannot say.

The Thread goes ever on and on
Out from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Thread has gone,
Let others follow it who can!
Let them a journey new begin,
But I at last with weary feet
Will turn towards the lighted inn,
My evening-rest and sleep to meet.

Damn I can't even make an obscure LOTR joke somebody already beat me to it months if not years ago! :help:

objectiveposter · Jun 19, 2012

this would be a perfect opportunity for bettman to pull the plug (if he wants to but i doubt he does).. he can come out and now say with the uncertainty of a potential public referendum Mr Jamison can no longer secure the needed investors (which he had lined up and were ready to buy the team if there wasnt any uncertainty or hurdles) and he has no choice but to look at alternatives and relocate the team ASAP since its nearly July.

NHL did everything they could... gave glendale a great potential owner in Jamison who had investors, a reasonable lease (compared to all the previous ones)... but GWI interference killed the deal by adding too much uncertainty.... this would be perfect spin for the NHL

CasualFan · Jun 19, 2012

Still the greatest post in my time here at BOH:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=32010091&postcount=403

Puckschmuck* · Jun 19, 2012

Are we there yet?
Are we there yet?
Are we there yet?
Are we there yet?

MNNumbers · Jun 19, 2012

roccerfeller said:
Was there any mention as to when the second and third counts were set for hearing?

This is the question that we need answers for now. I read many times in the prior thread and in the court thread that, for example, the contempt complaint was left for Judge Anderson. When does it appear on his docket?

Thanks

goyotes · Jun 19, 2012

MNNumbers said:
This is the question that we need answers for now. I read many times in the prior thread and in the court thread that, for example, the contempt complaint was left for Judge Anderson. When does it appear on his docket?

Thanks

If any of the other relief was going to be granted to invalidate any part of the ordinance, then ask yourself why the judge would ask for an order to clarify the ordinance by making sec. 7 invalid (or inoperable depending upon which phrase used by the judge in the same sentence). I think you can safely assume he will not invalidate the vote.

The contempt charge will be heard by Anderson. I think it is safe to assume he will also not invalidate the vote due to the failure of the CoG to comply with a court order, given another judge choose not to when looking at the vote on the merits and effectively concluding that the vote was otherwise valid. Sanctions against the CoG in the terms of $$$ to pay the GWI's attorney fees...yes. Invalidate the vote, IMHO, highly unlikely.

The only chance now for the vote to be invalidated is if the voters decide to refer the matter and the referendum is passed to declare the ordinance invalid. That is not a bad thing IMHO, from a philosophical standpoint. I think the voters should get a chance to vote on this kind of a deal. The problem is that timing of a public vote has never been something the NHL said they were prepared to accept with soft, unspoken deadlines pushing this train up hill.

Fourier · Jun 19, 2012

CasualFan said:
Still the greatest post in my time here at BOH:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=32010091&postcount=403

Once this is over kdb is going out on the road. He has got enough material now for three studio albums. But of course the live album from the Wembley concert is the one I am waiting for.

MNNumbers · Jun 19, 2012

goyotes said:
If any of the other relief was going to be granted to invalidate any part of the ordinance, then ask yourself why the judge would ask for an order to clarify the ordinance by making sec. 7 invalid (or inoperable depending upon which phrase used by the judge in the same sentence). I think you can safely assume he will not invalidate the vote.

The contempt charge will be heard by Anderson. I think it is safe to assume he will also not invalidate the vote due to the failure of the CoG to comply with a court order, given another judge choose not to when looking at the vote on the merits and effectively concluding that the vote was otherwise valid. Sanctions against the CoG in the terms of $$$ to pay the GWI's attorney fees...yes. Invalidate the vote, IMHO, highly unlikely.

The only chance now for the vote to be invalidated is if the voters decide to refer the matter and the referendum is passed to declare the ordinance invalid. That is not a bad thing IMHO, from a philosophical standpoint. I think the voters should get a chance to vote on this kind of a deal. The problem is that timing of a public vote has never been something the NHL said they were prepared to accept with soft, unspoken deadlines pushing this train up hill.

Goyotes,
I am sorry if I left a wrong impression. Your answer to my post seemed to come from the assumption that I was expecting or hoping Judge Anderson would invalidate the vote. That is not my expectation or hope at all.

I simply see this all as great theatre. It's not my team at all. So, it really doesn't matter to me if GWI gets what it wants. I am simply more curious what Judge Anderson might rule toward CoG.

All that being said, I should acknowledge full disclosure. It is my opinion, have no dog or Coyote in the fight, that best end for this saga is QC. But, it really doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I don't live anywhere near Phx or QC.

I'm just curious how it is all going to turn out...

goyotes · Jun 19, 2012

MNNumbers said:
Goyotes,
I am sorry if I left a wrong impression. Your answer to my post seemed to come from the assumption that I was expecting or hoping Judge Anderson would invalidate the vote. That is not my expectation or hope at all.

I simply see this all as great theatre. It's not my team at all. So, it really doesn't matter to me if GWI gets what it wants. I am simply more curious what Judge Anderson might rule toward CoG.

All that being said, I should acknowledge full disclosure. It is my opinion, have no dog or Coyote in the fight, that best end for this saga is QC. But, it really doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I don't live anywhere near Phx or QC.

I'm just curious how it is all going to turn out...

I was just attempting to answer what I thought the expected outcome will be when Anderson hears the contempt motion. It doesn't matter to me whether someone thinks the Coyotes should stay in Arizona or be relocated. For purely selfish reasons, I want them to stay, but I can see both sides of the coin.

Merci* · Jun 19, 2012

goyotes said:
I was just attempting to answer what I thought the expected outcome will be when Anderson hears the contempt motion. It doesn't matter to me whether someone thinks the Coyotes should stay in Arizona or be relocated. For purely selfish reasons, I want them to stay, but I can see both sides of the coin.

With the BOG meeting today shouldnt they be approving the new owner if this moves forward to closure?

Tommy Hawk · Jun 19, 2012

Elvin Bishop of Glendale (albeit CA) was prophetic - On and On....

Vinc360 · Jun 19, 2012

Just wanted to mention that jetsfan88 was right on the money so far... it's playing out exactly how he's been saying it would for months. I realize he's not the only one that predicted it, but his track record is impressive for sure.

Merci* · Jun 19, 2012

Vinc360 said:
Just wanted to mention that jetsfan88 was right on the money so far... it's playing out exactly how he's been saying it would for months. I realize he's not the only one that predicted it, but his track record is impressive for sure.

yes, I think it just isnt happening as fast as everyone on both sides wants it too. That is why he was doubted.

Vinc360 · Jun 19, 2012

He said it would take a while before it would get resolved. He said it could last until July. It certainly looks like that could be the case...

sipowicz · Jun 19, 2012

Don't know if this was posted yet;

Coyotes referendum can go forward

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/80...ent-go-forward

Acesolid · Jun 19, 2012

The NHL has got to pull the plug now unless they want to own the team for at least another 6 months.

The investors wont want to..... well..... invest in the Coyotes untill the referenum passed. So no sale untill then.

I'm telling you, if Gary Bettman is serious about the NHL not owning the team next season, he's got to sell the team to someone who'll relocate the team and take it of his hands NOW.

aj8000 · Jun 19, 2012

Acesolid said:
The NHL has got to pull the plug now unless they want to own the team for at least another 6 months.

The investors wont want to..... well..... invest in the Coyotes untill the referenum passed. So no sale untill then.

I'm telling you, if Gary Bettman is serious about the NHL not owning the team next season, he's got to sell the team to someone who'll relocate the team and take it of his hands NOW.

Technically, at this present moment, there is no referendum. Signatures need to be collected and I suspect verified as voters. Only at that time there will be a referendum.

RAgIn · Jun 19, 2012

sipowicz said:
Don't know if this was posted yet;

Coyotes referendum can go forward

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/80...ent-go-forward

Broken Link

New LINK:

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8073873/referendum-phoenix-coyotes-agreement-go-forward

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