Phoenix CXX: High Tempe-rature
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Killion
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... sure... just run it by our Legal Council... Casual Fan..... he may be familiar with TOR, whole issue of digital privacy, possibly attending himself or perhaps knows someone who is a regular at the San Francisco Bay areas deepest of the deep subterranean Hackerspaces - Noisebridge Studios.... CF might also have heard about the case of TOR core developer Isis Agora Lovecruft (50 vBux says her parents were/are Vegan Hippies who licked one too many Strawberry Sunshine Happy Face Blotters back in the glory days of Haight Ashbury) who fled to Germany under the threat of an FBI Subpoena.... If CF says TOR's good, and that then you Tom, yes YOU can convince the powers that be here at Crave Media to go Blacknet... then thats good enough for me.... Let me/us know how that goes huh?... and oh... keep yer head up & stick on the ice, were rootin 4ya.
No no no tor exit nodes have been compromised by the NSA and the five eyes countries for years. And no that isn't just the paranoia talking.
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Just to add on this, sure they play at key for 3 seasons but what after that? Had they got the team would things be moved along much quicker on the new arena?
... sure... just run it by our Legal Council... Casual Fan..... he may be familiar with TOR, whole issue of digital privacy, possibly attending himself or perhaps knows someone who is a regular at the San Francisco Bay areas deepest of the deep subterranean Hackerspaces - Noisebridge Studios.... CF might also have heard about the case of TOR core developer Isis Agora Lovecruft (50 vBux says her parents were/are Vegan Hippies who licked one too many Strawberry Sunshine Happy Face Blotters back in the glory days of Haight Ashbury) who fled to Germany under the threat of an FBI Subpoena.... If CF says TOR's good, and that then you Tom, yes YOU can convince the powers that be here at Crave Media to go Blacknet... then thats good enough for me.... Let me/us know how that goes huh?... and oh... keep yer head up & stick on the ice, were rootin 4ya.
There's Riffle ... when it'll be released into the wilds of the internet is the big question however I can't see why it won't.
Llama19
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One would certainly think so...
There had been/still ongoing 'efforts' on building an arena somewhere in the Seattle area, and if the team had been moved, the issue of building a new arena would likely have accelerated this effort...
TheLegend
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Except for that one small detail you omitted that said arena in Seattle at that time was planned with an MOU that required an NBA team first.
Mightygoose
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Yup
And as time went on during the 13/14 it started to become apparent that it was going to be an uphill climb for any NHL to reach an working agreement there and then Seattle went towards the back burner again.
If the team did move there and with things stand as they are now, ownership would have lost their shirt playing in the Key and they would have been looking for a new home 2-3 years laters.
So in a sense, the Glendale vote to approve the 2013 agreement stopped the league from burning bridges in 2 markets
It was RayB though who wanted to buy the Coyotes and move them to Seattle. Key Arena was to be a temp home initially, then either SoDo or Tukwila (proposed by him later).
TheLegend
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Except SoDo was a Chris Hansen and NBA first project at that juncture. Today it might be different.
Now Tukwila might have had the upper edge then. But that also came later.
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... either way... an ill conceived plan by the NHL if... IF it was even true. An absolute Crap Shoot to have moved that team to the eerie confines of Key Arena in Seattle & then on a wing and a prayer hoped that Hansen would get his arena dealeo all done within 2-3yrs AND that he'd be more than accommodating with a favorable Lease after incurring tens of million's worth of debt that needed to be at minimum serviced if not paid down... while he continues to chase an NBA franchise in a league that quite possibly considers him persona non grata. Dude needs to read some Cervantes'. Don Quioxte. And Ray B, he needs to be informed of that outstanding arrangement the Coyotes, Messrs Burke & Gluckstern had with Colangelo.... Tukwila an underfunded pipe-dream. Not saying the presence of an NHL team wouldnt have spurred on money to have gotten it done but there goes your leverage, desperate for accommodations, new home.... And what happens if after 24-36-48mnths everything still in flux & your losing it by the bucket at Key? Move yet again?.. Sounds like a real solid plan... Brother Loves Traveling Salvation Show... pack up the babies & grab the old ladies cause everyone goes.... you fond of Neil Diamond TL?... Jewish Make-Out Music.
TheLegend
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... either way... an ill conceived plan by the NHL if... IF it was even true. An absolute Crap Shoot to have moved that team to the eerie confines of Key Arena in Seattle & then on a wing and a prayer hoped that Hansen would get his arena dealeo all done within 2-3yrs AND that he'd be more than accommodating with a favorable Lease after incurring tens of million's worth of debt that needed to be at minimum serviced if not paid down... while he continues to chase an NBA franchise in a league that quite possibly considers him persona non grata. Dude needs to read some Cervantes'. Don Quioxte. And Ray B, he needs to be informed of that outstanding arrangement the Coyotes, Messrs Burke & Gluckstern had with Colangelo.... Tukwila an underfunded pipe-dream. Not saying the presence of an NHL team wouldnt have spurred on money to have gotten it done but there goes your leverage, desperate for accommodations, new home.... And what happens if after 24-36-48mnths everything still in flux & your losing it by the bucket at Key? Move yet again?.. Sounds like a real solid plan... Brother Loves Traveling Salvation Show... pack up the babies & grab the old ladies cause everyone goes.... you fond of Neil Diamond TL?... Jewish Make-Out Music.
Hot August Nights album, baby...... GOAT.
Moving the Yotes into Key to me (at that time) would have been the same scenario all over again as when the Jets moved into Phoenix.
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Hot August Nights album, baby...... GOAT.
Moving the Yotes into Key to me (at that time) would have been the same scenario all over again as when the Jets moved into Phoenix.
Totally. But as its the NHL?.... they seem to enjoy repeating themselves, making the same mistakes over & over & over again and always on someone elses dime. Millions, billions of dimes. They should really see about that, couch time... preferably a nice long stretch of incarceration. God syndrome or something.... like when we were kids, playing God with the lives of ants on a sidewalk with a magnifying glass, watching them suffer... and watching, watching, watching... pretty messed up huh TL?.
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Hot August Nights album, baby...... GOAT.
Moving the Yotes into Key to me (at that time) would have been the same scenario all over again as when the Jets moved into Phoenix.
It would also bring to mind what happened to the Seattle Pilots back in '69. One wonders if Bud Selig would've swooped in too and brought the team to Milwaukee to upgrade the Admirals to a NHL team.
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Totally. But as its the NHL?.... they seem to enjoy repeating themselves, making the same mistakes over & over & over again and always on someone elses dime. Millions, billions of dimes. They should really see about that, couch time... preferably a nice long stretch of incarceration. God syndrome or something.... like when we were kids, playing God with the lives of ants on a sidewalk with a magnifying glass, watching them suffer... and watching, watching, watching... pretty messed up huh TL?.
Killion
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... ahhhh, c'mon.... besides... how can I believe in God when just earlier today I got my tongue caught in the rollers of my Canon Pixma MG3120 Digital Printer? .... Ha?... Yeah, real funny God. Sonofa
....... ahhhh, c'mon.... besides... how can I believe in God when just earlier today I got my tongue caught in the rollers of my Canon Pixma MG3120 Digital Printer? .... Ha?... Yeah, real funny God. Sonofa
I can see how that could happen. But the very existence of those rollers is proof of God. Known as "Holy Rollers." First mentioned in Leviticus, I think. Or maybe it was in a Hewlett-Packard owners' manual, not sure.
Anyway, whatever else you say, you don't ever want to get sassy with the Hockey Gods. They can strike you down in the blink of an eye, like they did to Eddie Livingstone. Blueshirts smote in an instant. Gone.
You've never been critical of the NHL, like Eddie was with the NHA, have you? Didn't think so, but thought I'd check. Powers not to be trifled with.
It would also bring to mind what happened to the Seattle Pilots back in '69. One wonders if Bud Selig would've swooped in too and brought the team to Milwaukee to upgrade the Admirals to a NHL team.
the Admirals weren't formed or granted until 1977, same year as Comcast starting a hockey franchise in Portland, Glacial, much as they're considering that option for 2018....
one has nothing to do w/ Arizona, 2) it is the same thing if the Coyotes end up in an arena much the same as TSRA IN '96, Coicidence, or conspiracy, that Seattle got its Mariners the same year, 1977.
Llama19
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How Glendale could work against Arizona Coyotes new arena plans in Tempe (*)
Source: http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...e-could-work-against-arizona-coyotes-new.html
(*) Article is behind a pay wall
However, here are some sections from that article:
- City of Glendale is already part of the political dynamic at the Legislature on the Coyotes issue and could add ot (sic) the political resistance to state help for the Tempe arena
- “In anticipation of that debate, during these meetings with legislators, we have provided factual information regarding the city’s existing lease with the Arizona Coyotes,†said Glendale Public Affairs Director Brent Stoddard in a statement. “We have shared facts regarding the significant investment taxpayers have already made and are still paying off to support the Coyotes in the West Valley. We have also communicated to legislators the city’s continuing desire for the Coyotes to remain the anchor tenant at the Gila River Arena.â€
- The Coyotes declined comment on the Glendale meetings and lobbying on the arena issue at the Legislature. But last month, LeBlanc said the Coyotes have also been meeting with lawmakers as well as policy and business groups about the arena plans. The team is also not strapped on to one specific funding plan.
“It would be suicidal to pin its success on one possible way of getting the financing done.†LeBlanc said. “We intend to aggressively pursue what we think is the most cost-effective, high benefit way of getting this deal done.â€
- ASU has been quiet on the arena plans.
- “The current outstanding balance of the facility is $144.9 million,†said Glendale Assistant City Manager Tom Duensing. “This amount plus $78.8 million in interest is scheduled to be paid throgh 2033.â€
Source: http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...e-could-work-against-arizona-coyotes-new.html
(*) Article is behind a pay wall
However, here are some sections from that article:
- City of Glendale is already part of the political dynamic at the Legislature on the Coyotes issue and could add ot (sic) the political resistance to state help for the Tempe arena
- “In anticipation of that debate, during these meetings with legislators, we have provided factual information regarding the city’s existing lease with the Arizona Coyotes,†said Glendale Public Affairs Director Brent Stoddard in a statement. “We have shared facts regarding the significant investment taxpayers have already made and are still paying off to support the Coyotes in the West Valley. We have also communicated to legislators the city’s continuing desire for the Coyotes to remain the anchor tenant at the Gila River Arena.â€
- The Coyotes declined comment on the Glendale meetings and lobbying on the arena issue at the Legislature. But last month, LeBlanc said the Coyotes have also been meeting with lawmakers as well as policy and business groups about the arena plans. The team is also not strapped on to one specific funding plan.
“It would be suicidal to pin its success on one possible way of getting the financing done.†LeBlanc said. “We intend to aggressively pursue what we think is the most cost-effective, high benefit way of getting this deal done.â€
- ASU has been quiet on the arena plans.
- “The current outstanding balance of the facility is $144.9 million,†said Glendale Assistant City Manager Tom Duensing. “This amount plus $78.8 million in interest is scheduled to be paid throgh 2033.â€
I am sure that IA will not limit the numbers of ways they can get someone to subsidize their plan.
Good on Glendale for putting the details in play of the current lease. Hopefully, they can also show the legislature details of the old lease and all of the broken promises from this ownership group. The legislature needs to know who they would be working with.
It is important for the legislature to realize, that in spite of Tony's statements about having nowhere to play, it is really about IA wanting someone to subsidize the team to keep it afloat. Glendale, no longer wants to pour money into the abyss, and so Tony is looking for another sucker. And as Tony says they will take money from anyone and they have no intention of turning down a handout
Maybe, they should consider an annual Telethon???
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Tom ServoMST3K
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^^^^^^^^
From what Llama quoted, I think the message that Glendale is conveying to the Legislature AND that they want to be in public, and thus it is found in that article is:
"There is already a substantial public debt associated with the Coyotes, which is still outstanding. It will take us 16-17 more years to pay that off. Given that is the case, we would appreciate it if you did not remove from us the asset of the Coyotes, which we are essentially still paying for. Also, it does not seem necessary to incur MORE public debt when this is not yet paid off. Also, if they jilted us and went to the State, why would the State want to incur public debt, and then not have it paid off, and have the Coyotes looking again." So, it's a 3-part PUBLIC message.
And, it is possible, but not at all sure, that, behind the scenes, the city of Glendale is also showing the state the Compliance Review. And, perhaps, they might even be documenting the history of payments made directly to the team, so as to show the State what they might expect.
Where that all leads, and how the individual legislators balance their thinking, I don't know. But, that's the message I get from what Llama shared of that article.
From what Llama quoted, I think the message that Glendale is conveying to the Legislature AND that they want to be in public, and thus it is found in that article is:
"There is already a substantial public debt associated with the Coyotes, which is still outstanding. It will take us 16-17 more years to pay that off. Given that is the case, we would appreciate it if you did not remove from us the asset of the Coyotes, which we are essentially still paying for. Also, it does not seem necessary to incur MORE public debt when this is not yet paid off. Also, if they jilted us and went to the State, why would the State want to incur public debt, and then not have it paid off, and have the Coyotes looking again." So, it's a 3-part PUBLIC message.
And, it is possible, but not at all sure, that, behind the scenes, the city of Glendale is also showing the state the Compliance Review. And, perhaps, they might even be documenting the history of payments made directly to the team, so as to show the State what they might expect.
Where that all leads, and how the individual legislators balance their thinking, I don't know. But, that's the message I get from what Llama shared of that article.
Llama19
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If I may quote one more section from the article:
"The Arizona Coyotes face plenty of challenges in their bid to move out of Glendale get a new arena built in Tempe on land owned by Arizona State University.
That includes resistance from fiscal conservatives at the Arizona Legislature skeptical of the National Hockey League team’s plan for the creation of a special tax district to capture revenue to help finance the proposed 16,000-seat arena at McClintock Road and Rio Salado Parkway."
Killion
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Nor do I or anyone else but youve just got to figure that any Legislator with even an ounce of integrity who might have initially been receptive to IA's overtures & potential sponsorship of a Bill... that after being enlightened by Glendale, well, not so much huh? As in Run Bambi Run.... So where it all leads as far as the Legislature is concerned, their chances of finding a sponsor & ramming Legislation through just went from very very very slim as it was to nil... and I can hear LeBlanc & Bettman even now........... first they kicked us out of our of home and then they torpedo'd our efforts to build a new one. Clearly you all can see what were dealing with here, no option but to move the team out of state... Or does the NHL just hang in there indefinitely, year by year, stringing people along, propping up the franchise... just no idea. Anything, absolutely anything is possible in the Toontown the NHL & IA have made for themselves in Arizona. Could be this time though, piano drops on their heads & thats that. Blame it all, absolutely everything on Glendale and bye bye.
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